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FallentoReason 2.0
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RE: FallentoReason 2.0
Well I've heard people argue that if we think we individually have intentionality who is to say that larger order things such as the earth ('Gaia'), the galaxy or the universe doesn't also? What really is the boundary between me and not-me? The air I breath and my lungs are in a relationship. Same with the water my body needs. Life feeds on life and so is connected in that way. Inorganic matter is taken up into living beings and returns to inorganic states when the organism dies. So the organic and inorganic worlds are tangibly interconnected. So perhaps in describing the networks of which any particular organism is a part we wind up describing parts of the world that go beyond the organism. In that sense the boundary between me and not-me is indeterminate. In some sense we could say instead that we are an aspect of a larger organism.

Ordinarily we wouldn't infer intentionality to anything which is not alive and conscious. But when you look at the way the counterbalancing forces on our planet result in stable states that promote life it can look intentional. Where does the web of life begins and end? Does the sun which fuels it all belong? Would there be any life in the web without the sun?

There is no necessity -so far as we can tell- for inferring deities but neither is there any way of ruling them out. Personally I think Occam's razor describes a good rule of thumb rather than a compulsory conclusion. So I'm not convinced it ever adequately justifies any conclusion. If it gives you the meaning you seek, why not infer a deity?

Perhaps it isn't a question of whether or not a deity exists apart from me so much as it is a question of whether I exist apart from everything else. If I am a part of a larger thing then that thing encompasses my intentionality and so includes it and that of every other creature. Feeling thankful to the greater organism of which we are a part and without which we could not exist is not such a screwy idea.
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FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - November 21, 2012 at 7:59 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by KichigaiNeko - November 21, 2012 at 8:08 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Zen Badger - November 21, 2012 at 8:45 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Whateverist - November 21, 2012 at 8:47 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - November 24, 2012 at 9:51 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Ben Davis - November 26, 2012 at 8:53 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Ben Davis - November 21, 2012 at 9:01 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by genkaus - November 21, 2012 at 11:03 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - November 24, 2012 at 10:04 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Kirbmarc - November 21, 2012 at 11:13 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Whateverist - November 21, 2012 at 1:04 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Minimalist - November 24, 2012 at 10:02 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Faith No More - November 25, 2012 at 12:02 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Whateverist - November 25, 2012 at 4:50 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Norfolk And Chance - November 26, 2012 at 8:49 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Whateverist - November 26, 2012 at 9:32 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by DeistPaladin - December 4, 2012 at 5:04 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - November 26, 2012 at 10:17 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - November 27, 2012 at 11:02 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by overlord fombax - November 28, 2012 at 4:00 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 3, 2012 at 12:01 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Kirbmarc - December 3, 2012 at 2:16 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 4, 2012 at 11:00 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 4, 2012 at 3:29 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Kirbmarc - December 4, 2012 at 4:58 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by DeistPaladin - December 4, 2012 at 9:32 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Lion IRC - December 4, 2012 at 10:45 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Brunitski - December 4, 2012 at 11:39 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Kirbmarc - December 5, 2012 at 4:46 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by pocaracas - December 5, 2012 at 6:14 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 6, 2012 at 10:27 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Norfolk And Chance - December 6, 2012 at 9:32 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 6, 2012 at 11:23 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 6, 2012 at 9:38 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by jonb - December 6, 2012 at 9:51 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by DeistPaladin - December 7, 2012 at 9:42 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 6, 2012 at 11:54 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 7, 2012 at 12:08 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Kirbmarc - December 7, 2012 at 6:25 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 7, 2012 at 12:37 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 7, 2012 at 2:30 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by pgrimes15 - December 7, 2012 at 8:15 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 3:04 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 7, 2012 at 3:46 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 11:05 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by DeistPaladin - December 7, 2012 at 11:20 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 9, 2012 at 3:31 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 11:35 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by DeistPaladin - December 7, 2012 at 2:21 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 2:33 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 9, 2012 at 11:23 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 9, 2012 at 12:27 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 9, 2012 at 8:59 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by pocaracas - December 9, 2012 at 9:16 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Norfolk And Chance - December 9, 2012 at 9:26 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 9, 2012 at 12:31 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 9, 2012 at 7:58 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 10, 2012 at 12:08 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 10, 2012 at 12:29 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 13, 2012 at 7:50 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 13, 2012 at 9:12 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 10, 2012 at 2:07 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 13, 2012 at 9:00 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Norfolk And Chance - December 13, 2012 at 9:04 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 13, 2012 at 9:09 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 13, 2012 at 9:17 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Jackalope - December 16, 2012 at 1:13 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 16, 2012 at 1:45 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Jackalope - December 16, 2012 at 2:14 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 13, 2012 at 9:32 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 13, 2012 at 9:38 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 13, 2012 at 9:57 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 13, 2012 at 10:26 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 13, 2012 at 11:18 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 13, 2012 at 12:05 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 13, 2012 at 12:50 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 13, 2012 at 10:56 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 15, 2012 at 1:23 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 15, 2012 at 1:44 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 15, 2012 at 2:02 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 15, 2012 at 2:14 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 15, 2012 at 2:18 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 15, 2012 at 2:23 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 15, 2012 at 10:18 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 15, 2012 at 11:07 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 16, 2012 at 1:07 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 16, 2012 at 1:10 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Gambit - December 16, 2012 at 1:50 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Jackalope - December 16, 2012 at 2:27 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 16, 2012 at 4:17 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Jackalope - December 16, 2012 at 4:23 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 16, 2012 at 5:41 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 16, 2012 at 2:24 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 16, 2012 at 2:58 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Jackalope - December 16, 2012 at 3:08 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 16, 2012 at 3:10 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 16, 2012 at 5:03 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Norfolk And Chance - December 16, 2012 at 8:19 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 16, 2012 at 10:26 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 16, 2012 at 1:39 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 20, 2012 at 11:52 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 16, 2012 at 6:08 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 23, 2012 at 4:06 am



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