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They dont have free speech at that place.

I disagree....

Well I'm banned there and you're not so....
But at least we are BOTH free to discuss/debate it here at this fine venue.

Thats not true. I did NOT want to get banned and have asked many times to be allowed back.

Manipulative little feline that you are, you've even tried to twist my arm into asking to get you reinstated there. Should I provide the links, or will you?

Thats what I said. I didnt want to be banned. I asked to be allowed back. Any quotes/links you can provide to demonstrate that this is true to anyone who doubts me will be appreciated.
Sorry you werent able to help get my AFA membership reinstated. :-(
But at least we are BOTH free to discuss/debate stuff here at this fine venue.
LOL @ ''manipulative little feline" Here, have one kudos point.

The same. Your ban from Reasonable Faith was unfair and unjustified

You are incorrect. Your ban at AFA was fair and justified. Should I provide the links or will you?

Hang on, I'm a member at Reasonable Faith and I"m agreeing with YOU that your ban WAS unfair and unjust.
How come you get to complain that the place you were banned from treated you unfairly but you wont entertain the possibility that your buddies at AFA treated me unfairly?
But at least we are BOTH free to discuss/debate stuff here at this fine venue.

and I offered to take the matter up on your behalf IF YOU HAD WANTED ME TO.
Be honest please. Do you remember telling me that you did NOT want me to do that and that you did NOT want to go back there.

The day I need someone of your calibre to advocate on my behalf is... Nope, can't think of the circumstances that would fit that scenario. I didn't want to go back because it is the sort of place that can't abide free speech from people who do not toe the line.

Why on earth are you whining about being unfairly banned. Sounds like you're glad they did you a favor.
At least we are BOTH free to discuss/debate stuff here at this fine venue.

Strangely enough we keep bumping into each other.

The Greeks kept running into the Persians. What is your point?

Ego much? The Greeks/Persians?
The point I am making is that if our judgment of good/bad forums wasnt similar we wouldnt both be here at this great place.

Doesnt the fact that you are looking for another atheist forum which meets your needs indicate that your false dichotomy - either Lion must have changed or this forum must be no good for letting him stay - is misplaced?

My need is not, in this case, a refuge from religious interference, but contact with other Melbourne based atheists to join in some initiatives I am keen to start.

OK. Good luck with your recruiting campaign.

... I am still happily contributing to AFA forums. Things change there and some people I like have moved on, others that I like have turned up. Others I don't like have turned up. It's a lot like life in that sense, but the rules and the locals' will to see them respected have not changed.

Bummer dude!

WUT? I have no ''trouble'' with it.

You do not answer the questions asked of you. Should I provide the links or will you?

Hey it's your intro thread. Knock yourself out.

I like free speech precisely BECAUSE it DOES produce consequences. The public square needs democratic and fair freedom of speech.
Bans and censorship cause ''trouble'' for those who do the banning and censorship. Lets start a thead about this.

We already did. How about we just answer the questions that each of us ask and never shy away from the awkward ethical corners that either or us might occasionally paint ourselves into, like the Crocodilemma.

You forgot to put a question mark after ''how about we...."
So I suppose that was a rhetorical question right?
Since you're here to recruit new atheists for your club in Melbourne I guess you wont be chatting to me much.

Yup. And Protium would be better to have let me stay and allowed people (like you) to use your brilliant counter-apologetics to publically demolish my hopeless theist woo in front of the whole AFA world.

You were already demolished, you just didn't realise it.

Boy, I hear that a lot. You're wrong and wont admit it. You're wrong and dont realize it. You secretly know we're right. Youre just pretending to think that, you're lying, that's not an answer....blah blah blah...

Then, you wouldnt need to ban me because, in shame and embarrassment I would have fled the scene of my public humiliation never to return. And the AFA crowd would have been chasing after me saying...dont leave, come back Lion IRC pleeeeese!

I don't think this is true.

Yeah, well you would say that wouldnt you. Isnt it great that we can both discuss/debate stuff here at this fine venue?
Welcome to atheistforums.org

I've seen you whip a dead argument ad-nauseum. Because you aren't good at arguing, you don't recognise when you are on a hiding to nothing and you just become a broken record. You don't seem to have any sense of shame, so you have nothing to lose in being humiliated.

I really dont have any sense of shame, pride, vanity, ego, boastfulness, etc, etc, etc. Why arent I embarrassed by that?

And fear of humiliation isnt something I lose any sleep over. PHEW! thats a relief.

Yet, strangely enough the more atheist counter-apologists I talk to on the net, and theres been a few since 1996, and the more times I hear the same things from them, the happier I get.

And I'm kinda happy with just being happy.

I hope you are as happy here at atheistforums.org as I am.