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Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'?

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RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'?

November 8, 2008 at 3:35 pm

(November 8, 2008 at 2:26 pm)CoxRox Wrote: If He made the laws of the universe then He will hardly go against them.

I don't understand this comment. If God used the laws of the universe, if he didn't go against the laws of the universe, in order to create the laws of the universe, then the laws of the universe must have existed at the same time he did so he didn't create them and therefore can't be anything other than them. Therefore he is either an exact replica of the laws of the universe or he IS the laws of the universe. Which means he might as well not exist as the laws of the universe are totally natural.

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Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 29, 2008 at 5:35 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Jason Jarred - October 29, 2008 at 6:12 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 30, 2008 at 4:36 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by leo-rcc - October 30, 2008 at 5:29 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - October 30, 2008 at 5:36 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 30, 2008 at 8:11 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - October 30, 2008 at 8:35 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 30, 2008 at 8:46 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by leo-rcc - October 30, 2008 at 9:34 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 30, 2008 at 10:08 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by leo-rcc - October 30, 2008 at 10:36 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2008 at 5:34 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 30, 2008 at 3:40 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Tiberius - October 30, 2008 at 5:26 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 2, 2008 at 5:50 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - November 3, 2008 at 5:10 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 31, 2008 at 3:28 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - October 31, 2008 at 6:03 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2008 at 7:54 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 31, 2008 at 12:50 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2008 at 1:46 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by bozo - October 31, 2008 at 5:07 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 1, 2008 at 9:49 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by leo-rcc - November 1, 2008 at 4:05 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Daystar - November 2, 2008 at 5:59 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 3, 2008 at 8:01 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Kyuuketsuki - November 3, 2008 at 9:56 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 3, 2008 at 10:23 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Kyuuketsuki - November 5, 2008 at 5:51 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 5, 2008 at 11:02 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Kyuuketsuki - November 7, 2008 at 9:29 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by leo-rcc - November 2, 2008 at 7:27 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 3, 2008 at 3:42 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Daystar - November 3, 2008 at 10:48 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 3, 2008 at 11:22 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Daystar - November 3, 2008 at 12:12 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 3, 2008 at 12:16 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 3, 2008 at 12:32 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by leo-rcc - November 3, 2008 at 6:24 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Tiberius - November 3, 2008 at 1:12 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 3, 2008 at 1:18 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 4, 2008 at 5:29 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 5, 2008 at 3:28 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 5, 2008 at 4:18 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 5, 2008 at 5:15 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 5, 2008 at 5:13 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 5, 2008 at 6:23 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 5, 2008 at 7:55 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 6, 2008 at 9:14 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by chatpilot - November 6, 2008 at 11:55 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Daystar - November 6, 2008 at 12:14 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by leo-rcc - November 6, 2008 at 1:16 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Daystar - November 6, 2008 at 8:23 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Jason Jarred - November 6, 2008 at 9:05 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Kyuuketsuki - November 7, 2008 at 9:56 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Jason Jarred - November 6, 2008 at 6:12 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Daystar - November 6, 2008 at 7:59 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by bozo - November 6, 2008 at 8:15 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Kyuuketsuki - November 7, 2008 at 9:35 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 7, 2008 at 9:46 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 6, 2008 at 1:37 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Tiberius - November 6, 2008 at 8:50 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Daystar - November 6, 2008 at 9:44 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - November 7, 2008 at 5:06 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Kyuuketsuki - November 7, 2008 at 10:03 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Jason Jarred - November 8, 2008 at 3:35 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Daystar - November 8, 2008 at 10:54 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Tiberius - November 7, 2008 at 4:12 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 7, 2008 at 8:11 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 7, 2008 at 9:31 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 7, 2008 at 10:00 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Tiberius - November 7, 2008 at 10:03 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 7, 2008 at 10:04 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - November 7, 2008 at 10:16 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by bozo - November 8, 2008 at 4:22 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 7, 2008 at 10:07 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by chatpilot - November 7, 2008 at 11:17 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 7, 2008 at 3:34 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 7, 2008 at 4:01 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 7, 2008 at 4:53 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 7, 2008 at 5:51 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 9:51 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 12:28 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 2:26 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 3:35 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Tiberius - November 8, 2008 at 2:51 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 3:06 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 3:09 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 3:16 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 3:26 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 8, 2008 at 4:17 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 3:46 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 3:49 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 4:02 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 4:11 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 4:21 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 8, 2008 at 4:24 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 4:23 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 4:30 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 8, 2008 at 4:44 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 4:52 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 4:56 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 4:58 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Tiberius - November 8, 2008 at 5:04 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 5:07 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 5:17 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 5:34 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 9, 2008 at 1:26 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 9, 2008 at 2:57 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - November 10, 2008 at 5:42 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 9, 2008 at 9:54 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 10, 2008 at 3:47 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 10, 2008 at 9:05 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - November 10, 2008 at 9:18 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 10, 2008 at 1:00 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 11, 2008 at 7:08 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 11, 2008 at 1:03 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 11, 2008 at 3:36 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 13, 2008 at 10:42 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by leo-rcc - November 13, 2008 at 11:19 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 13, 2008 at 12:34 pm

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by chatpilot - November 14, 2008 at 11:06 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 14, 2008 at 11:48 am

RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - November 14, 2008 at 11:55 am

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