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Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist.

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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist.

November 28, 2012 at 5:29 pm (This post was last modified: November 28, 2012 at 5:33 pm by Cyberman.)

(November 28, 2012 at 5:20 pm)alwayson Wrote: Science will never explain the beginning of the universe, because there is no beginning.

Even from a common sense standpoint, Big Bang has previous causes, which itself has previous causes, which itself has previous causes, which has previous causes, which has previous causes, which has previous causes etc.

Ok, now you've made a truth claim about the Universe. Remember that you are now in the hotseat for demonstrating this claim. Go ahead; we're listening.

(November 28, 2012 at 5:27 pm)alwayson Wrote: I don't claim the universe exists. See post 1.

Wait, what? Now we're into really interesting territory! Ok, so you don't claim the Universe exists. What steps can we take to determine whether or not it does exist?

At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'

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Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 4:03 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Anomalocaris - November 28, 2012 at 4:09 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 4:18 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Anomalocaris - November 28, 2012 at 4:22 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Minimalist - November 28, 2012 at 4:38 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 4:40 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Minimalist - November 28, 2012 at 8:04 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 8:08 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by jonb - November 28, 2012 at 8:18 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Minimalist - November 29, 2012 at 5:52 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Jackalope - November 28, 2012 at 4:17 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 4:18 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Cato - November 28, 2012 at 4:21 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 4:24 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Anomalocaris - November 28, 2012 at 4:26 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by downbeatplumb - November 29, 2012 at 1:28 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 29, 2012 at 2:06 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by downbeatplumb - November 29, 2012 at 2:08 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 29, 2012 at 2:08 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 4:25 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - November 28, 2012 at 4:27 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 4:29 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Welsh cake - November 28, 2012 at 4:33 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by festive1 - November 28, 2012 at 4:33 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 4:35 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 4:41 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Cato - November 28, 2012 at 4:44 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - November 28, 2012 at 4:49 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 4:41 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Anomalocaris - November 28, 2012 at 4:42 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Napoléon - November 28, 2012 at 5:18 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 4:43 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 4:45 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Cyberman - November 28, 2012 at 4:49 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 4:56 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Cyberman - November 28, 2012 at 5:01 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Kirbmarc - November 28, 2012 at 4:55 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 5:04 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Darkstar - November 28, 2012 at 5:06 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Cyberman - November 28, 2012 at 5:12 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 5:13 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Jackalope - November 28, 2012 at 5:34 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 5:37 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Cyberman - November 28, 2012 at 5:38 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 5:39 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Jackalope - November 28, 2012 at 5:44 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 5:47 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Jackalope - November 28, 2012 at 5:53 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 5:56 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Jackalope - November 28, 2012 at 5:40 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 5:01 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 5:10 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 28, 2012 at 5:17 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 7:40 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Anomalocaris - November 28, 2012 at 7:45 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 7:49 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 28, 2012 at 7:52 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 7:54 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Anomalocaris - November 28, 2012 at 5:18 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 5:20 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Cyberman - November 28, 2012 at 5:29 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - November 28, 2012 at 5:19 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 5:07 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Cyberman - November 28, 2012 at 5:15 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 5:15 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 28, 2012 at 5:21 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Anomalocaris - November 28, 2012 at 5:21 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 5:23 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 5:27 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 5:29 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 5:33 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 5:36 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Cyberman - November 28, 2012 at 5:36 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 5:38 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 5:37 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 5:40 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Something completely different - November 28, 2012 at 5:42 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by pocaracas - November 28, 2012 at 5:48 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 5:50 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by pocaracas - November 28, 2012 at 5:54 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 6:03 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Something completely different - November 28, 2012 at 6:06 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Cato - November 28, 2012 at 6:14 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Anomalocaris - November 28, 2012 at 6:24 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Jackalope - November 28, 2012 at 5:56 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 5:48 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Cyberman - November 28, 2012 at 5:50 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 5:52 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Anomalocaris - November 28, 2012 at 5:55 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 5:59 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Anomalocaris - November 28, 2012 at 6:13 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 5:58 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Cyberman - November 28, 2012 at 6:00 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Angrboda - November 28, 2012 at 6:02 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 6:07 pm

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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Something completely different - November 28, 2012 at 6:41 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 6:42 pm

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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 6:49 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Anomalocaris - November 28, 2012 at 7:17 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Cyberman - November 28, 2012 at 6:06 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 6:06 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Something completely different - November 28, 2012 at 6:15 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 6:17 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Something completely different - November 28, 2012 at 6:23 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by pocaracas - November 28, 2012 at 7:52 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 9:04 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Angrboda - November 29, 2012 at 3:24 am

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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 29, 2012 at 2:28 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by pocaracas - November 29, 2012 at 5:49 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Cyberman - November 29, 2012 at 8:50 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by festive1 - November 29, 2012 at 9:12 pm

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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 30, 2012 at 7:50 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by genkaus - November 30, 2012 at 8:27 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - December 7, 2012 at 7:45 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Darkstar - December 7, 2012 at 8:38 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by genkaus - December 7, 2012 at 9:01 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - December 7, 2012 at 9:03 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Darkstar - December 7, 2012 at 9:05 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by genkaus - December 8, 2012 at 8:04 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Angrboda - December 1, 2012 at 5:19 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Cyberman - December 7, 2012 at 7:56 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Kirbmarc - December 7, 2012 at 9:04 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - December 7, 2012 at 9:08 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Darkstar - December 7, 2012 at 9:12 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by jonb - December 7, 2012 at 9:48 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by median - December 8, 2012 at 5:40 am

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - December 8, 2012 at 1:00 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Darkstar - December 8, 2012 at 2:30 pm

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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Darkstar - December 8, 2012 at 5:51 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - December 8, 2012 at 5:56 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Darkstar - December 8, 2012 at 6:32 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Darkstar - December 8, 2012 at 7:27 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - December 8, 2012 at 8:04 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by genkaus - December 8, 2012 at 8:07 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - December 8, 2012 at 8:08 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by genkaus - December 8, 2012 at 8:18 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by median - December 8, 2012 at 11:07 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by median - December 8, 2012 at 9:01 pm

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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by genkaus - December 8, 2012 at 10:08 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - December 8, 2012 at 10:14 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by median - December 8, 2012 at 10:52 pm

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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - December 8, 2012 at 9:34 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Something completely different - December 8, 2012 at 9:52 pm

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