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Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'?
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RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'?
(November 8, 2008 at 4:02 pm)CoxRox Wrote: I agree that these laws must have existed, just as mathematics does and I must then deduce that He must be 'above' these laws , therefore 'outside' of nature, or the natural. Just because we don't know what that is, doesn't mean it is not. Yes, there's complexity to grapple with, but I don't have a problem with this? Where am I going wrong?
Well, if God's outside nature then thats what I mean by him being supernatural. And the 2 main reasons why I think God is therefore highly improbable.
1. There is no evidence of his existence.
2. The fact he is highly complex makes him highly improbable to exist from the start or to jump into existence out of no where. You couldn't just say that an eye has existed since the beginning or before the beginning. You need an explanation and there is one, evolution through natural selection. Even without an explanation for the eye though, you'd still have to assume for now that its extremely improbable that the eye has just been there since the beginning or before the beginning, considering its complexity. And of course the same goes for the complexity and improbability of God. And God is of course a lot more complex and improbable to exist right from the beginning or before the beginning than just an eye!
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Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 29, 2008 at 5:35 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Jason Jarred - October 29, 2008 at 6:12 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 30, 2008 at 4:36 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by leo-rcc - October 30, 2008 at 5:29 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - October 30, 2008 at 5:36 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 30, 2008 at 8:11 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - October 30, 2008 at 8:35 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 30, 2008 at 8:46 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by leo-rcc - October 30, 2008 at 9:34 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 30, 2008 at 10:08 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by leo-rcc - October 30, 2008 at 10:36 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2008 at 5:34 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 30, 2008 at 3:40 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Tiberius - October 30, 2008 at 5:26 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 2, 2008 at 5:50 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - November 3, 2008 at 5:10 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 31, 2008 at 3:28 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - October 31, 2008 at 6:03 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2008 at 7:54 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 31, 2008 at 12:50 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2008 at 1:46 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by bozo - October 31, 2008 at 5:07 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 1, 2008 at 9:49 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by leo-rcc - November 1, 2008 at 4:05 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Daystar - November 2, 2008 at 5:59 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 3, 2008 at 8:01 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Kyuuketsuki - November 3, 2008 at 9:56 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 3, 2008 at 10:23 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Kyuuketsuki - November 5, 2008 at 5:51 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 5, 2008 at 11:02 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Kyuuketsuki - November 7, 2008 at 9:29 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by leo-rcc - November 2, 2008 at 7:27 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 3, 2008 at 3:42 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Daystar - November 3, 2008 at 10:48 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 3, 2008 at 11:22 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Daystar - November 3, 2008 at 12:12 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 3, 2008 at 12:16 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 3, 2008 at 12:32 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by leo-rcc - November 3, 2008 at 6:24 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Tiberius - November 3, 2008 at 1:12 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 3, 2008 at 1:18 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 4, 2008 at 5:29 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 5, 2008 at 3:28 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 5, 2008 at 4:18 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 5, 2008 at 5:15 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 5, 2008 at 5:13 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 5, 2008 at 6:23 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 5, 2008 at 7:55 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 6, 2008 at 9:14 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by chatpilot - November 6, 2008 at 11:55 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Daystar - November 6, 2008 at 12:14 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by leo-rcc - November 6, 2008 at 1:16 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Daystar - November 6, 2008 at 8:23 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Jason Jarred - November 6, 2008 at 9:05 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Kyuuketsuki - November 7, 2008 at 9:56 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Jason Jarred - November 6, 2008 at 6:12 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Daystar - November 6, 2008 at 7:59 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by bozo - November 6, 2008 at 8:15 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Kyuuketsuki - November 7, 2008 at 9:35 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 7, 2008 at 9:46 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 6, 2008 at 1:37 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Tiberius - November 6, 2008 at 8:50 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Daystar - November 6, 2008 at 9:44 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - November 7, 2008 at 5:06 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Kyuuketsuki - November 7, 2008 at 10:03 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Jason Jarred - November 8, 2008 at 3:35 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Daystar - November 8, 2008 at 10:54 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Tiberius - November 7, 2008 at 4:12 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 7, 2008 at 8:11 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 7, 2008 at 9:31 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 7, 2008 at 10:00 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Tiberius - November 7, 2008 at 10:03 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 7, 2008 at 10:04 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - November 7, 2008 at 10:16 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by bozo - November 8, 2008 at 4:22 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 7, 2008 at 10:07 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by chatpilot - November 7, 2008 at 11:17 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 7, 2008 at 3:34 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 7, 2008 at 4:01 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 7, 2008 at 4:53 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 7, 2008 at 5:51 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 9:51 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 12:28 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 2:26 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 3:35 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Tiberius - November 8, 2008 at 2:51 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 3:06 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 3:09 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 3:16 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 3:26 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 8, 2008 at 4:17 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 3:46 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 3:49 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 4:02 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 4:11 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 4:21 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 8, 2008 at 4:24 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 4:23 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 4:30 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 8, 2008 at 4:44 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 4:52 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 4:56 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 4:58 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Tiberius - November 8, 2008 at 5:04 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 5:07 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 5:17 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 5:34 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 9, 2008 at 1:26 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 9, 2008 at 2:57 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - November 10, 2008 at 5:42 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 9, 2008 at 9:54 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 10, 2008 at 3:47 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 10, 2008 at 9:05 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - November 10, 2008 at 9:18 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 10, 2008 at 1:00 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 11, 2008 at 7:08 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 11, 2008 at 1:03 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 11, 2008 at 3:36 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 13, 2008 at 10:42 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by leo-rcc - November 13, 2008 at 11:19 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 13, 2008 at 12:34 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by chatpilot - November 14, 2008 at 11:06 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 14, 2008 at 11:48 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - November 14, 2008 at 11:55 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 14, 2008 at 3:23 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 14, 2008 at 7:41 pm

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