RE: Determinism.....
October 8, 2009 at 4:08 am
(This post was last modified: October 8, 2009 at 5:31 am by fr0d0.)
I don't think the complexity or simplicity of the subconscious has any bearing. I think Adrian skipped over the important concept which is that it is still us making the decision even if that's mechanically generated by the subconscious.
Where is free will defined as separate from a subconscious decision? The "rational agent" can be conscious or subconscious. Even with your plea to complexity of the subconscious you're conceding this.
In moral accountability if you didn't have the right to choose you couldn't be held responsible for the morality of your choices.
(an excerpt from a convo with Evie the other day: )
You can change your mind because you have the _liberty_ to do so.
If you had no liberty of will, ie God did not _give_ you free will, then you would have no choices to make. No matter what your mechanical desires you couldn't ever follow them. Because God, for example, would force you to always do good and be nice all the time.
Now in physical reality 'prison' is the obvious simile for God disallowing free will. With freedom unrestricted... an individual is _at liberty_ to choose (within the law) to a far greater extent what we do.
Where is free will defined as separate from a subconscious decision? The "rational agent" can be conscious or subconscious. Even with your plea to complexity of the subconscious you're conceding this.
In moral accountability if you didn't have the right to choose you couldn't be held responsible for the morality of your choices.
(an excerpt from a convo with Evie the other day: )
You can change your mind because you have the _liberty_ to do so.
If you had no liberty of will, ie God did not _give_ you free will, then you would have no choices to make. No matter what your mechanical desires you couldn't ever follow them. Because God, for example, would force you to always do good and be nice all the time.
Now in physical reality 'prison' is the obvious simile for God disallowing free will. With freedom unrestricted... an individual is _at liberty_ to choose (within the law) to a far greater extent what we do.
