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FallentoReason 2.0
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RE: FallentoReason 2.0
(December 6, 2012 at 11:54 pm)SpecUVdust Wrote: It's not about what's "yucky" and what's not... You believe in a designer/creator with a complete lack of evidence.

Correct. I don't have the evidence therefore making me Agnostic, which I believe everyone should be because it's the most honest position, given all the collective knowledge we have thus far.

Quote: I don't blame you though, as to believe in any god you must do so with no evidence

Agreed.

Quote:and therefore, no reason.

If you see a bunch of rocks on a plain which happen to be sitting in such a way as to form a circle, you can think of three ways in which it happened:

1) It was blind luck.
2) They were physically arranged like that by someone.
3) Someone thought of a process in which this would happen without ever coming in contact with the rocks.

#1 reflects the atheist position in a nutshell.

#2 reflects the theistic position in a nutshell. When I say "physically arranged" I'm alluding to the things that theists say like "I ran out of fuel on the freeway, so I prayed. God refilled my tank" where what they're claiming is that God directly intervened in the natural world.

#3 is what I believe, which to me is the Deistic position, where the Creator set forth the processes that we see today: solar systems, evolution, terraformation etc. (and even the order we see in the periodic table and physics phenomena).
My reasoning is that none of this was a coincidence, but at the same time we don't find this Creator mucking about in the natural world. What's done is done.

Therefore, I greatly oppose your idea that no evidence = no reason. Think of Deism as a hypothesis and NOT a theory. Of course, I acknowledge that it can't formally be a hypothesis because it can't be scientifically tested, but I'm simply demonstrating why I think I can rationally hold on to Deism without direct evidence of a Creator.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
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FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - November 21, 2012 at 7:59 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by KichigaiNeko - November 21, 2012 at 8:08 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Zen Badger - November 21, 2012 at 8:45 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Whateverist - November 21, 2012 at 8:47 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - November 24, 2012 at 9:51 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Ben Davis - November 26, 2012 at 8:53 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Ben Davis - November 21, 2012 at 9:01 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by genkaus - November 21, 2012 at 11:03 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - November 24, 2012 at 10:04 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Kirbmarc - November 21, 2012 at 11:13 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Whateverist - November 21, 2012 at 1:04 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Minimalist - November 24, 2012 at 10:02 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Faith No More - November 25, 2012 at 12:02 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Whateverist - November 25, 2012 at 4:50 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Norfolk And Chance - November 26, 2012 at 8:49 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Whateverist - November 26, 2012 at 9:32 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by DeistPaladin - December 4, 2012 at 5:04 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - November 26, 2012 at 10:17 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - November 27, 2012 at 11:02 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by overlord fombax - November 28, 2012 at 4:00 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 3, 2012 at 12:01 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Kirbmarc - December 3, 2012 at 2:16 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 4, 2012 at 11:00 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 4, 2012 at 3:29 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Kirbmarc - December 4, 2012 at 4:58 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by DeistPaladin - December 4, 2012 at 9:32 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Lion IRC - December 4, 2012 at 10:45 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Brunitski - December 4, 2012 at 11:39 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Kirbmarc - December 5, 2012 at 4:46 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by pocaracas - December 5, 2012 at 6:14 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 6, 2012 at 10:27 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Norfolk And Chance - December 6, 2012 at 9:32 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 6, 2012 at 11:23 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 6, 2012 at 9:38 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by jonb - December 6, 2012 at 9:51 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by DeistPaladin - December 7, 2012 at 9:42 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 6, 2012 at 11:54 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 7, 2012 at 12:08 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Kirbmarc - December 7, 2012 at 6:25 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 7, 2012 at 12:37 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 7, 2012 at 2:30 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by pgrimes15 - December 7, 2012 at 8:15 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 3:04 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 7, 2012 at 3:46 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 11:05 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by DeistPaladin - December 7, 2012 at 11:20 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 9, 2012 at 3:31 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 11:35 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by DeistPaladin - December 7, 2012 at 2:21 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 2:33 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 9, 2012 at 11:23 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 9, 2012 at 12:27 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 9, 2012 at 8:59 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by pocaracas - December 9, 2012 at 9:16 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Norfolk And Chance - December 9, 2012 at 9:26 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 9, 2012 at 12:31 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 9, 2012 at 7:58 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 10, 2012 at 12:08 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 10, 2012 at 12:29 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 13, 2012 at 7:50 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 13, 2012 at 9:12 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 10, 2012 at 2:07 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 13, 2012 at 9:00 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Norfolk And Chance - December 13, 2012 at 9:04 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 13, 2012 at 9:09 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 13, 2012 at 9:17 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Jackalope - December 16, 2012 at 1:13 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 16, 2012 at 1:45 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Jackalope - December 16, 2012 at 2:14 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 13, 2012 at 9:32 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 13, 2012 at 9:38 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 13, 2012 at 9:57 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 13, 2012 at 10:26 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 13, 2012 at 11:18 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 13, 2012 at 12:05 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 13, 2012 at 12:50 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 13, 2012 at 10:56 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 15, 2012 at 1:23 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 15, 2012 at 1:44 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 15, 2012 at 2:02 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 15, 2012 at 2:14 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 15, 2012 at 2:18 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 15, 2012 at 2:23 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 15, 2012 at 10:18 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 15, 2012 at 11:07 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 16, 2012 at 1:07 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 16, 2012 at 1:10 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Gambit - December 16, 2012 at 1:50 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Jackalope - December 16, 2012 at 2:27 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 16, 2012 at 4:17 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Jackalope - December 16, 2012 at 4:23 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 16, 2012 at 5:41 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 16, 2012 at 2:24 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 16, 2012 at 2:58 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Jackalope - December 16, 2012 at 3:08 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 16, 2012 at 3:10 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 16, 2012 at 5:03 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Norfolk And Chance - December 16, 2012 at 8:19 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 16, 2012 at 10:26 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 16, 2012 at 1:39 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 20, 2012 at 11:52 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 16, 2012 at 6:08 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 23, 2012 at 4:06 am



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