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FallentoReason 2.0
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RE: FallentoReason 2.0
Quote:#1 reflects the atheist position in a nutshell.

No. The atheistic position (the naturalistic atheistic position, at least. Not all atheists are naturalists) is not about "blind luck", it's about life having adapted to the universe, not vice versa. So both your example and your ideas about atheism are deeply flawed, I'm afraid.

Quote:#3 is what I believe, which to me is the Deistic position, where the Creator set forth the processes that we see today: solar systems, evolution, terraformation etc. (and even the order we see in the periodic table and physics phenomena).

Your position implicitly assumes that earth was made for life, while it's life that adapted to earth. On a different planet with different conditions we could have different forms of life (for example a life cycle based on anaerobic bacteria). In a possible different universe with different laws of nature we could have different forms that could be considered "life" (silicium based or arsenicum based life).

You implicitly assume that the universe was made for life and from then you argue the existence of a creator. But what you need to properly assess is the idea of the universe being projected. Saying "it's obvious that it was" or ""when I look at nature I can't help but feel that it was part of a project" are not good answers.

Your hypotheisis is ultimately based on an emotional response, not on reason.
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FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - November 21, 2012 at 7:59 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by KichigaiNeko - November 21, 2012 at 8:08 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Zen Badger - November 21, 2012 at 8:45 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Whateverist - November 21, 2012 at 8:47 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - November 24, 2012 at 9:51 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Ben Davis - November 26, 2012 at 8:53 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Ben Davis - November 21, 2012 at 9:01 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by genkaus - November 21, 2012 at 11:03 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - November 24, 2012 at 10:04 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Kirbmarc - November 21, 2012 at 11:13 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Whateverist - November 21, 2012 at 1:04 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Minimalist - November 24, 2012 at 10:02 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Faith No More - November 25, 2012 at 12:02 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Whateverist - November 25, 2012 at 4:50 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Norfolk And Chance - November 26, 2012 at 8:49 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Whateverist - November 26, 2012 at 9:32 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by DeistPaladin - December 4, 2012 at 5:04 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - November 26, 2012 at 10:17 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - November 27, 2012 at 11:02 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by overlord fombax - November 28, 2012 at 4:00 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 3, 2012 at 12:01 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Kirbmarc - December 3, 2012 at 2:16 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 4, 2012 at 11:00 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 4, 2012 at 3:29 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Kirbmarc - December 4, 2012 at 4:58 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by DeistPaladin - December 4, 2012 at 9:32 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Lion IRC - December 4, 2012 at 10:45 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Brunitski - December 4, 2012 at 11:39 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Kirbmarc - December 5, 2012 at 4:46 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by pocaracas - December 5, 2012 at 6:14 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 6, 2012 at 10:27 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Norfolk And Chance - December 6, 2012 at 9:32 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 6, 2012 at 11:23 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 6, 2012 at 9:38 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by jonb - December 6, 2012 at 9:51 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by DeistPaladin - December 7, 2012 at 9:42 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 6, 2012 at 11:54 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 7, 2012 at 12:08 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Kirbmarc - December 7, 2012 at 6:25 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 7, 2012 at 12:37 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 7, 2012 at 2:30 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by pgrimes15 - December 7, 2012 at 8:15 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 3:04 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 7, 2012 at 3:46 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 11:05 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by DeistPaladin - December 7, 2012 at 11:20 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 9, 2012 at 3:31 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 11:35 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by DeistPaladin - December 7, 2012 at 2:21 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2012 at 2:33 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 9, 2012 at 11:23 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 9, 2012 at 12:27 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 9, 2012 at 8:59 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by pocaracas - December 9, 2012 at 9:16 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Norfolk And Chance - December 9, 2012 at 9:26 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 9, 2012 at 12:31 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 9, 2012 at 7:58 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 10, 2012 at 12:08 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 10, 2012 at 12:29 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 13, 2012 at 7:50 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 13, 2012 at 9:12 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 10, 2012 at 2:07 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 13, 2012 at 9:00 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Norfolk And Chance - December 13, 2012 at 9:04 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 13, 2012 at 9:09 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 13, 2012 at 9:17 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Jackalope - December 16, 2012 at 1:13 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 16, 2012 at 1:45 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Jackalope - December 16, 2012 at 2:14 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 13, 2012 at 9:32 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 13, 2012 at 9:38 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 13, 2012 at 9:57 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 13, 2012 at 10:26 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 13, 2012 at 11:18 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 13, 2012 at 12:05 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 13, 2012 at 12:50 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 13, 2012 at 10:56 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 15, 2012 at 1:23 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 15, 2012 at 1:44 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 15, 2012 at 2:02 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 15, 2012 at 2:14 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 15, 2012 at 2:18 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 15, 2012 at 2:23 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 15, 2012 at 10:18 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 15, 2012 at 11:07 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 16, 2012 at 1:07 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 16, 2012 at 1:10 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Gambit - December 16, 2012 at 1:50 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Jackalope - December 16, 2012 at 2:27 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 16, 2012 at 4:17 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Jackalope - December 16, 2012 at 4:23 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 16, 2012 at 5:41 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 16, 2012 at 2:24 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 16, 2012 at 2:58 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Jackalope - December 16, 2012 at 3:08 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 16, 2012 at 3:10 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 16, 2012 at 5:03 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by Norfolk And Chance - December 16, 2012 at 8:19 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by The Grand Nudger - December 16, 2012 at 10:26 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 16, 2012 at 1:39 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by FallentoReason - December 20, 2012 at 11:52 am
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 16, 2012 at 6:08 pm
RE: FallentoReason 2.0 - by SpecUVdust - December 23, 2012 at 4:06 am



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