RE: Muhammad the Greatest: A Comparative Study
December 9, 2012 at 8:22 pm
(This post was last modified: December 9, 2012 at 8:24 pm by Al-Fatihah.)
(December 9, 2012 at 8:17 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote: Are you not aware of Hitler, sir? Or, say, Karl Marx? Both of them used nothing more than human speech to inspire them to, in Hitler's case, conquer not just a nation, but a plurality of nations and almost the entire European continent. And Karl Marx's literature inspired the socialist movement which later evolved into the communist movement which became a multi-nation bloc of allied powers that rivaled even the US and did so for decades until cultural and economic stagnation caused by impotent, weak, brainless leaders and extensive corruption caused by the bastardization of Marx's system of economics and governance led to their downfall.
For that matter, the American Revolution, which inspired the colonists of America to take control of their own nation, was also inspired not by any holy book but rather by actions, words, and literature.
The quran challenge...pfah. You call that a challenge? Beating Contra was a challenge. Eating a spoonful of cinnamon powder, that's a challenge.
This is more like the quran half-assing. Or the quran beginner's-mode. Or the quran cheat-codes-enabled.
Response: And if asked of what proof you have that Hitler or any of the people answered the challenge, your answer is "because a book says so", which any reasonable person can see is not proof. For saying so is not proof that it is so.
Furthermore, such evidence is hearssay, while the Qur'an challenge relies on a hands-on eyewitness account as evidence, , because anyone who takes the challenge will fail and not come close to answering it. And since it is clearly humanly impossible to use human-made speech/literature to achieve the act, then that means that the Qur'an that Muhammad used to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation was not the invention of any human/s, but from one who has greater power and authority than humans, and that is Allah.
A hands-on eyewitness account is more credible than hearsay. Thus your argument fails.
(December 9, 2012 at 8:21 pm)Stimbo Wrote: This particular meme makes my teeth cringe, but:
Logic... you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
(Ow.)
Response: Likewise.
(December 9, 2012 at 8:18 pm)Darkstar Wrote: If we wanted to conform so badly, we'd all be theists!
Response: Not on an atheist forum.