RE: The Deceptive Mechanisms
December 10, 2012 at 2:02 am
(This post was last modified: December 10, 2012 at 2:17 am by Undeceived.)
(December 10, 2012 at 12:01 am)FallentoReason Wrote: Except the evidence stacks up against you. As a whole, we have the godman whom no author ever met, whose very attributes were a jumble of different things that covered a ridiculous spectrum, who supposedly caused an uproar where ever he went but never gets a credible mention in history, whose early followers talked about him in mysterious/cultish-sounding ways, whose only evidence is written by unknown people, whose very words got tampered with (extra verses that had been added after a couple of centuries for which we have evidence of)... shall I keep going?I'm glad we have finally agreed on the nature of evidence and can begin examining it. For starters, do you consider Livy, Tacitus and Suetonius reliable sources? Or maybe I should ask, do you consider any 1st century historical account unreliable apart from the Bible?
(December 10, 2012 at 12:01 am)FallentoReason Wrote: You've got Constantine to thank for that. Politics unfortunately my friendAfter 250 years of Christianity being illegal and still growing

(December 10, 2012 at 12:49 am)Rhythm Wrote: Is that how the weather gets handled where you're from? A guy stands outside all day and then yells "Yep it rained yall!". That's not how it's done here. Barometers record, cups fill with water, radar pings, nary a human being is involved. Let alone the guy in question, the source (unless he runs a weather station...and I could still check his instruments, now couldn't I?)I laughed reading this. Good one. But really, barometers, cups of water and computer data are still traces. We know there was a rise in pressure, but the time and date escape us. The water could come from anywhere. People can still manipulate computer data. I think our definitions of "event" are just not meeting. I look for evidence of the event, you give me evidence that indicates there may have been an event. In any case, for the "weather station" method to work, you must anticipate an event--time, place, material and all. Weather is predictable, people are not. I guess I'd say any event having to do with people should not be expected to to have unfalsifiable evidence. That basically includes any history worth knowing.