(December 10, 2012 at 8:01 am)Stue Denim Wrote: I feel that I answered those questions in my previous posts (minus the "as soon as he is on swedish soil", the timing is hardly the issue). Admittedly I do post and then edit as I can never get it quite right and am never happy with the way it reads, and your post is one minute before my final edit. Still, I refer you to my above posts.
Indeed, I missed that edited part. Thank you for reminding.
Quote:But pointing to this law would seem to indicate that extradition is an option. You could ask for a guarantee from a country asking that they won't literally crucify you if you came in for questioning, how many would point to laws that say they can't predetermine cases, how many would point to their own laws and agreements showing how they are prohibited from executing or torturing people? If Swedish law ruled out any chance of him being extradited to the US, they would surely just point to that. That they can't and won't is a worrying sign. If he was asking for a guarantee that sweden wouldn't personally torture him, I don't doubt they would say "we can't torture you, look at these laws that prohibit us from doing so" rather than "oh sorry, we can't predetermine these things, look at these laws that stop us from predetermining judicial decisions."
Were I in his position (and I find the whole thing very very suss) I would stay well away from Sweden.
Oh the extradition to the US is an option. But Sweden is bound by it`s membership to the EU high court not to do so, it might do so, but it will be (and that is what everyone ignores) very damaging for Sweden - because the european high court can then call out sanctions against sweden and demand reparations.
Fact is they could - but it wouldnt be a productive thing to do and would actualy have very damaging effects for Sweden. This is the point which makes this guarantee so impossible, if Sweden would give him that guarantee on the basis of the decision of the european high court - it would give up it`s sovereignty over it`s laws to the european high court, if it would give him that guarantee on the basis that he wants it - it`s courts would give in to the demands of a individual non-citizen - which is also not exceptabel - because in that case you would create a example case which someone could use to escapes justice and inquiry on the basis of questioning everything within the justice system and demanding guarantees for everything.
And again, I find it very weird that people think that a nation owes this kind of guarantee to him, the only guarantee it owes him, is the guarantee of a fair trial and human treatment.
What limitations there are to the swedish juristiction should not be determined by an individual and certainly not by that individuals narcecism.
(December 10, 2012 at 8:14 am)Aractus Wrote: Germans I don't know why you are so insistent on this tangent. Counties make guarantees all the time, the USA readily makes guarantees not to seek the death penalty when seeking extradition...
By simply calling my arguments and explainations tangent..... you do not make them invalid - this can only be achieved through counterarguments which refute the original ones.
Show me the specific cases in which the US goverment - made a guarantee to an individual wanted for crimes?
