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Hell
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RE: Hell
(October 11, 2009 at 6:37 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:
(October 10, 2009 at 10:25 pm)ecolox Wrote: Apparently God thinks teaching by example is most effective. If you know of a better way then share it please.
Since God knows everything, and can do anything. Why didn't he simply create humans in the first place so they can only do good, so they didn't need teaching, and why didn't he make life fair, so no one suffers? And so he's actually just?

If you thought freedom had value then you needn't have said anything at all.
(October 11, 2009 at 6:24 am)Ace Wrote: We do agree with a number of things but not when it comes to where we get our morality. We are both just as moral as each other. We'd both do moral things to save others. Reasons are a little different but the drive to do it is the same. We are more alike than unalike. We just have different views to where we get our morality. We get our morality from the same place, it's only our views that differ.Wink

But, naturally, you might eat someone.
(October 11, 2009 at 8:15 am)Retorth Wrote: Ecolox, perfection can only come from perfection. Imperfection cannot come from perfection. With that said, god is imperfect. If he is imperfect, he cannot be "god'.

Apparently perfection can degrade with freedom. We degraded. God is still God.
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Hell - by Retorth - October 2, 2009 at 7:37 am
RE: Hell - by Godless - October 2, 2009 at 7:47 am
RE: Hell - by AngelaRachnid - October 18, 2009 at 3:51 pm
RE: Hell - by Retorth - October 2, 2009 at 7:52 am
RE: Hell - by padraic - October 20, 2009 at 12:15 am
RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - October 2, 2009 at 8:01 am
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RE: Hell - by Rhizomorph13 - October 2, 2009 at 11:23 am
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RE: Hell - by leo-rcc - October 2, 2009 at 11:32 am
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - October 2, 2009 at 11:26 am
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RE: Hell - by solarwave - October 3, 2009 at 4:05 pm
RE: Hell - by Retorth - October 4, 2009 at 1:44 am
RE: Hell - by Ryft - October 4, 2009 at 5:25 am
RE: Hell - by solarwave - October 4, 2009 at 2:18 pm
RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - October 4, 2009 at 3:10 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - October 7, 2009 at 10:16 am
RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - October 7, 2009 at 11:34 am
RE: Hell - by ecolox - October 9, 2009 at 9:49 pm
RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - October 10, 2009 at 5:46 am
RE: Hell - by ecolox - October 10, 2009 at 11:06 am
RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - October 10, 2009 at 1:03 pm
RE: Hell - by ecolox - October 10, 2009 at 5:21 pm
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RE: Hell - by solarwave - October 8, 2009 at 4:02 pm
RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - October 8, 2009 at 5:41 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - October 9, 2009 at 3:38 am
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RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - October 10, 2009 at 12:51 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - October 10, 2009 at 3:51 pm
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - October 10, 2009 at 9:21 pm
RE: Hell - by ecolox - October 10, 2009 at 9:57 pm
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RE: Hell - by theVOID - October 12, 2009 at 12:26 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - October 7, 2009 at 12:56 pm
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RE: Hell - by Violet - October 7, 2009 at 4:50 pm
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - October 7, 2009 at 5:00 pm
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RE: Hell - by leo-rcc - October 8, 2009 at 4:10 am
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RE: Hell - by Violet - October 7, 2009 at 7:37 pm
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RE: Hell - by chatpilot - October 8, 2009 at 12:03 pm
RE: Hell - by padraic - October 9, 2009 at 5:11 am
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RE: Hell - by Rhizomorph13 - October 8, 2009 at 3:13 pm
RE: Hell - by Meatball - October 9, 2009 at 1:40 pm
RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - October 10, 2009 at 6:19 pm
RE: Hell - by ecolox - October 10, 2009 at 9:15 pm
RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - October 11, 2009 at 6:24 am
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - October 10, 2009 at 10:06 pm
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RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - October 11, 2009 at 6:37 am
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RE: Hell - by Retorth - October 11, 2009 at 8:15 am
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RE: Hell - by Meatball - October 26, 2009 at 10:48 am
RE: Hell - by amw79 - October 26, 2009 at 10:59 am
RE: Hell - by solarwave - October 28, 2009 at 12:34 pm
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RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2009 at 5:15 pm
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RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - October 31, 2009 at 8:06 am
RE: Hell - by solarwave - October 31, 2009 at 9:55 am
RE: Hell - by Minimalist - October 31, 2009 at 10:47 am
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RE: Hell - by Minimalist - October 31, 2009 at 6:56 pm
RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - October 31, 2009 at 7:26 pm
RE: Hell - by Minimalist - November 5, 2009 at 11:52 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - October 31, 2009 at 8:02 pm
RE: Hell - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2009 at 8:46 pm
RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - November 3, 2009 at 6:38 am
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - November 3, 2009 at 10:38 am
RE: Hell - by leo-rcc - November 3, 2009 at 11:35 am
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RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - November 3, 2009 at 8:13 pm
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RE: Hell - by Tiberius - November 4, 2009 at 6:06 am
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RE: Hell - by Rhizomorph13 - November 4, 2009 at 12:35 pm
RE: Hell - by Tiberius - November 4, 2009 at 2:31 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - November 4, 2009 at 4:06 pm
RE: Hell - by Rhizomorph13 - November 4, 2009 at 4:39 pm
RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - November 5, 2009 at 5:49 pm
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RE: Hell - by Rhizomorph13 - November 4, 2009 at 5:00 pm
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RE: Hell - by solarwave - November 4, 2009 at 6:59 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 4, 2009 at 7:07 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - November 5, 2009 at 4:41 am
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 5, 2009 at 4:53 am
RE: Hell - by solarwave - November 5, 2009 at 4:55 am
RE: Hell - by Tiberius - November 5, 2009 at 5:05 am
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 5, 2009 at 6:19 am
RE: Hell - by Tiberius - November 5, 2009 at 7:13 am
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - November 5, 2009 at 12:36 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 5, 2009 at 1:40 pm
RE: Hell - by Meatball - November 5, 2009 at 1:48 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 5, 2009 at 1:52 pm
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - November 5, 2009 at 4:24 pm
RE: Hell - by solarwave - November 5, 2009 at 7:07 pm
RE: Hell - by Ace Otana - November 5, 2009 at 7:37 pm
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - November 5, 2009 at 7:12 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 5, 2009 at 7:19 pm
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - November 5, 2009 at 7:50 pm
RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - November 5, 2009 at 8:13 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 5, 2009 at 9:23 pm
RE: Hell - by chatpilot - November 6, 2009 at 12:41 am
RE: Hell - by Pillowpants - November 12, 2009 at 6:53 pm
RE: Hell - by Violet - November 12, 2009 at 6:59 pm
RE: Hell - by fr0d0 - November 13, 2009 at 2:12 pm

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