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Extra Dimensions
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RE: Extra Dimensions
(January 4, 2013 at 9:08 am)pocaracas Wrote: Am I to understand that some limited form of transcendental experience is the awareness of good? Is that what you are saying?

Not quite but what i'm saying is science is fantastic at dealing with The Cosmos and how it works but not so good when it tries to deal with things that are Transendental and that the feelings you get while not necessarily fully transendental it does give you some ideas about the limits of science.

(January 4, 2013 at 9:14 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Transcendental (not tooth decay) is all in the mind...this has also been observed via neuroscience.

neuroscience can show which areas of the brain is operating but that not a proof that thoughts or ideas have there origin there. There are some who have the Idea that everything we think of as existense is just a projected illusion and that the brain is just a fancy receptor. I have no fixed opinion on that on but i find it interesting.

(January 4, 2013 at 8:48 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(January 4, 2013 at 8:19 am)Mark 13:13 Wrote: well in some ways you already have limited experience of the transendental when you look at a painting and it stirs something inside of you and you decide its good, someone else looks at it and says its rubbish. Can science be brought to bear on it to prove you are wrong to have those positive feelings about the painting and stop you having those feelings?

Science can be brought to bear on paintings and evaluate what it is about paintings that people find good and stirring. Psychologists can look at these and explain why it is so.

What is your point?

But they can never feel it for you. And can you deny your feelings just because someone tells you its unscientific or do you feel it any different because someone tries to explain the source of the feeling. My point is simple Science is not the best tool to explore the Transendental when as a matter of fact its beyond science almost by definition.
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Extra Dimensions - by Mark 13:13 - January 1, 2013 at 7:28 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Darwinian - January 1, 2013 at 8:23 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mark 13:13 - January 1, 2013 at 9:17 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by pocaracas - January 2, 2013 at 6:13 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Tiberius - January 1, 2013 at 8:59 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Aractus - January 2, 2013 at 8:46 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Tobie - January 2, 2013 at 8:54 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by FallentoReason - January 1, 2013 at 9:07 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Zen Badger - January 2, 2013 at 6:26 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by jonb - January 2, 2013 at 7:49 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Zen Badger - January 2, 2013 at 7:58 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Tobie - January 2, 2013 at 8:36 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Tiberius - January 2, 2013 at 8:55 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Aractus - January 2, 2013 at 9:11 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Tiberius - January 2, 2013 at 10:57 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Aractus - January 3, 2013 at 8:40 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Anomalocaris - January 2, 2013 at 11:44 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by downbeatplumb - January 2, 2013 at 9:37 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by FallentoReason - January 2, 2013 at 9:58 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mark 13:13 - January 2, 2013 at 11:27 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by LastPoet - January 2, 2013 at 10:03 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Aractus - January 2, 2013 at 10:05 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by jonb - January 2, 2013 at 10:15 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by LastPoet - January 2, 2013 at 10:17 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Aractus - January 2, 2013 at 10:29 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Welsh cake - January 2, 2013 at 10:38 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Aractus - January 2, 2013 at 10:45 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mark 13:13 - January 2, 2013 at 11:09 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by jonb - January 2, 2013 at 12:33 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by pocaracas - January 2, 2013 at 5:01 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by FallentoReason - January 2, 2013 at 11:23 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Anomalocaris - January 2, 2013 at 11:37 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Welsh cake - January 2, 2013 at 11:38 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Cato - January 2, 2013 at 11:56 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Annik - January 2, 2013 at 5:03 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Minimalist - January 2, 2013 at 12:46 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mark 13:13 - January 2, 2013 at 3:48 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mister Agenda - January 2, 2013 at 5:15 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mark 13:13 - January 2, 2013 at 5:20 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Cyberman - January 2, 2013 at 8:38 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mark 13:13 - January 2, 2013 at 9:14 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by pocaracas - January 3, 2013 at 6:03 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Tiberius - January 3, 2013 at 9:47 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mister Agenda - January 3, 2013 at 3:34 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mister Agenda - January 2, 2013 at 4:53 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mark 13:13 - January 2, 2013 at 5:08 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mister Agenda - January 2, 2013 at 5:30 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mark 13:13 - January 2, 2013 at 5:45 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by jonb - January 2, 2013 at 5:56 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Anomalocaris - January 2, 2013 at 6:05 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mark 13:13 - January 2, 2013 at 6:09 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Anomalocaris - January 2, 2013 at 6:19 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by jonb - January 2, 2013 at 6:35 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mark 13:13 - January 2, 2013 at 6:44 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by jonb - January 2, 2013 at 6:17 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Angrboda - January 2, 2013 at 6:56 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mark 13:13 - January 2, 2013 at 7:09 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Angrboda - January 3, 2013 at 3:10 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mark 13:13 - January 3, 2013 at 10:29 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by pocaracas - January 2, 2013 at 7:50 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Cyberman - January 2, 2013 at 9:23 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mark 13:13 - January 2, 2013 at 9:45 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by jonb - January 2, 2013 at 10:03 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Cato - January 2, 2013 at 11:06 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Cyberman - January 2, 2013 at 9:54 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Cyberman - January 2, 2013 at 10:07 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Minimalist - January 2, 2013 at 11:26 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mark 13:13 - January 3, 2013 at 3:42 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Tiberius - January 3, 2013 at 3:58 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Anomalocaris - January 3, 2013 at 4:04 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Minimalist - January 3, 2013 at 3:44 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Cyberman - January 3, 2013 at 5:06 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mark 13:13 - January 3, 2013 at 6:16 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Cyberman - January 3, 2013 at 6:27 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mark 13:13 - January 3, 2013 at 6:46 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Cyberman - January 3, 2013 at 7:21 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mark 13:13 - January 3, 2013 at 7:30 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by pocaracas - January 3, 2013 at 7:23 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mark 13:13 - January 4, 2013 at 6:46 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by pocaracas - January 4, 2013 at 7:19 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mark 13:13 - January 4, 2013 at 8:19 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by downbeatplumb - January 4, 2013 at 8:48 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by KichigaiNeko - January 4, 2013 at 3:13 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by pocaracas - January 4, 2013 at 9:08 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mark 13:13 - January 4, 2013 at 9:23 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by pocaracas - January 4, 2013 at 10:18 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mark 13:13 - January 4, 2013 at 10:24 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by downbeatplumb - January 4, 2013 at 2:58 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by KichigaiNeko - January 4, 2013 at 9:14 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by KichigaiNeko - January 4, 2013 at 9:35 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mark 13:13 - January 4, 2013 at 9:56 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Darwinian - January 4, 2013 at 10:06 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mark 13:13 - January 4, 2013 at 10:13 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Darwinian - January 4, 2013 at 10:15 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by KichigaiNeko - January 4, 2013 at 10:12 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by KichigaiNeko - January 4, 2013 at 10:17 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by KichigaiNeko - January 4, 2013 at 10:19 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by KichigaiNeko - January 4, 2013 at 10:37 am
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mark 13:13 - January 4, 2013 at 4:14 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Angrboda - January 4, 2013 at 4:51 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mark 13:13 - January 4, 2013 at 5:37 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Angrboda - January 4, 2013 at 6:56 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Mark 13:13 - January 4, 2013 at 7:05 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Cyberman - January 4, 2013 at 7:05 pm
RE: Extra Dimensions - by Minimalist - January 4, 2013 at 3:43 pm

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