The rock God can't lift.

[Tiberius]

I agree that the concept of a "completely unlimited power" is illogical as the concept of a square circle. Which is why they have to say " a truly all-powerful being could preform the impossible".

Who says this? Where? Citations please?

Of course, and the reason it works is because they have already swallowed "God can do whatever he wants", which allows them to move the goal posts. Of course we cant nail them on that definition because it is called "making shit up and pulling it out of your ass".

Look, I don't know what kind of Christians you've talked to, but I haven't met one that says God can do whatever he wants. I hold that you are just creating strawmen.

Hence yes, multiple meanings of the concept because when you call them on one, they move to another. It suits their emotional desire for a super hero.

Right...but if they move to another which is logically valid, what do you do then?

Thats how the theist game works.

I'm sorry that you seem to have only met idiot theists.

It doesn't violate "omnipotence" from their point of view, that's why it works so well to the theist, they can play a perpetual game of dodge ball with it.

Reality on the other hand isn't our personal wishes and we are not entitled to our own facts.

It doesn't violate omnipotence from my point of view either...hence why I asked you about it. Care for an actual answer this time? Why do you think it violates omnipotence?

And Tiberious, if God can do the impossible, the word "impossible" implies going beyond a limit" yet you claim that they claim that god IS limited, so even in this case it negates their definition of a limited "all powerful" god.

Your argument is invalid, since it is never claimed in Christianity that God can do the impossible, so there is no contradiction or negation with the limits placed upon God. Agreed, if the Christian God could do the impossible, it would be limitless and you'd have an actual point, but I've seen no scripture that supports that idea. Please present some.

Look I agree that there have been tons of theologians and philosophers who have tried to square it whatever way they can. But it is still a broken concept no matter how you arrange the arguments.

It's not a broken concept. If we hold omnipotence as the ability to do everything that is logically possible, then I don't see what the problem is with it. If we further hold omnipotence as the ability to do everything logically possible, except that which goes against one's nature, I likewise cannot see any problems with that definition.

It is basically saying he is unlimited in his limits. That is a contradiction. Doing the impossible means going beyond limits.

No. No no no no no. For the last time, stop using one definition just because it suits your argument. We've already been over absolute omnipotence, and why it cannot possibly exist. There is no point in going over it again. I am not talking about absolute omnipotence; and neither are any Christians (and neither does Christianity). What Christianity says is that God can do anything apart from that which goes against his nature. In other words, he can do the logically possible, but cannot commit sin because by his nature he is sinless and perfect.