The rock God can't lift.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I think what Epicurus deduced about God by exploring his role in evil is relevant here since it relates to matters of omnipotence, etc.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

well maybe freewill came with a package, and as God created a universe that works best when it is in harmony with his ultimate Good, it came to the present state by the first creature that choose to follow a will other than Gods as to do evil is to choose against Gods will.

This makes no sense.

It's impossible to get around the illogicality of creating a universe meant to be good with the overwhelming capacity to do whatever it wants (which is apparently bad).

Also, I feel ashmed for saying "the universe can be bad" when what I meant to say is "a particular life form assigns a judgement to some behaviour using subjective values garnered from the point in time and location in which it resides".

The havoc that was caused was not due to God's will but rather the fallen angels,

I stopped reading here.

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our ancestors and their choices and our choices, the reason he allows evil is to allow freewill but as God knows the final outcome He has deemed the finate suffering as worth whatever GOD has seen to be the final but infinate Good end. He couldn't just change the universes rules to fit folk that didn't align with his will but that would have meant changing himself as well and as he Is perfect to change would have been wrong. So when the consequences of Evil has been worked through to completion he will make a new fresh and Perfect universe free from those who are a malign influence in that perfect universe.

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