(October 18, 2009 at 2:10 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Amphora, if our wills aren't free, then we, by definition... don't have free will. Free will is about our wills being free.
I don't believe our wills are free, nor do I believe our choices are: Which is why I don't believe in 'Free will'.
EvF
When you have to butcher the meaning of a concept through semantics to make your point you have completely failed.
Free will is the concept that we have freedom over out actions and decisions, my decision to write a response to you was a decision between two variables that arose from your message, i had the choice to reply, or to not reply and while the two variables arose through causation (your writing your post provided the context) my response was not cause and effect, it was cause and decision, leading to effect.
Were we to talk about an unintelligent universe then everything would be deterministic - if you had a complete understanding of the physical laws of the universe you could calculate the position of every single particle in space throughout time, but that would only be the case in a universe without awareness. When you have awareness you have values, irrationality, decision, preference, goals, ideals, subjectivity... These things make Determinism impossible.
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