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Transexuals
RE: Transexuals
(January 8, 2013 at 4:08 am)Aractus Wrote:
(January 7, 2013 at 7:18 pm)Violet Lilly Blossom Wrote: I still don't get it yall. What's all this nonsense about changing sexes anyway? Angel

Plastic surgery and chemical changes upon a body ≠ changing someone's root DNA, and equipping them will full reproductive capabilities representative of their new sex.
That's not accurate on two counts.

1. "reproductive capabilities" is not a requirement to be male or female - ie you can be born "barren", unable to conceive a child as a man or a woman.

It's true, but I have seen it argued before that unless a transgendered person can reproduce as desired after surgery: they will not consider them as their proper gender.

It's bigoted, it's stupid, it is definitely inaccurate, but I've seen it argued. By my parents, no less... sigh. However, it does remain true that we cannot yet change the DNA of a person in this manner (which would be to change that XX to XY, or XY to XX), and despite the lack of major physical changes associated with changing sex... it remains the only way to do it.

If it were possible today, and free, I'm not even sure I'd go for it. Because that's very dangerous.

Quote:2. DNA is not what defines gender. Yes, the body uses DNA to decide upon which gender it is, but DNA doesn't matter. We can recognize people who are intersex, even though they are still biologically male or female. In some animals it is possible to be truly an hermaphrodite, despite the fact that DNA should give you a more limitative answer. DNA/Biological gender can be mismatched.

DNA doesn't decide your gender, chemicals of your mothers manage that while you're developing. If estrogen starts slowing in her system after the baby begins forming as a girl... the child has a chance of being a transman. If estrogen skyrockets while a baby boy is forming... the child has a chance of being a transwoman. Not causation, but it does correlate.

But DNA *is* what defines sex. And so, no... that isn't inaccurate Smile Sex and gender may correlate, but you can be a man in a woman's body, a woman in a man's body, or anything in between. It is definitely true that sex and gender can be mismatched.

(January 8, 2013 at 5:58 am)fr0d0 Wrote:
(January 8, 2013 at 12:25 am)Violet Lilly Blossom Wrote: the soldier stands at the ready to be ignored Devil

Hey sis! No speakie long time! Smile

Great posts in this thread. I vote we take back your award immediately!

Lol, I love you too, bro Big Grin

You haven't even been voted for the weirdest member in years now Big Grin I voted you for my theist Heart
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day



Messages In This Thread
Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 7, 2013 at 7:07 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Darwinian - January 7, 2013 at 7:08 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Dee Dee Ramone - January 7, 2013 at 7:11 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Ryantology - January 7, 2013 at 7:11 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 7, 2013 at 7:18 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Ryantology - January 7, 2013 at 7:35 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 7, 2013 at 8:03 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Aractus - January 8, 2013 at 4:08 am
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 7:26 am
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 12:45 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Aractus - January 9, 2013 at 7:34 am
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 9, 2013 at 10:41 am
RE: Transexuals - by TaraJo - January 9, 2013 at 10:53 am
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 9, 2013 at 11:17 am
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 7, 2013 at 7:12 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Dee Dee Ramone - January 7, 2013 at 7:12 pm
RE: Transexuals - by TaraJo - January 8, 2013 at 9:58 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 10:05 pm
RE: Transexuals - by TaraJo - January 8, 2013 at 10:07 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 10:09 pm
RE: Transexuals - by TaraJo - January 8, 2013 at 10:12 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 9, 2013 at 7:48 am
RE: Transexuals - by TaraJo - January 9, 2013 at 10:30 am
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 9, 2013 at 10:38 am
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 7, 2013 at 7:12 pm
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 7, 2013 at 7:18 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 7, 2013 at 7:21 pm
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 7, 2013 at 7:26 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 7, 2013 at 7:33 pm
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 7, 2013 at 7:39 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Napoléon - January 7, 2013 at 8:22 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 7, 2013 at 8:23 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 7, 2013 at 7:40 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Rev. Rye - January 8, 2013 at 12:35 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Faith No More - January 7, 2013 at 7:13 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Cyberman - January 7, 2013 at 7:13 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Aractus - January 8, 2013 at 3:43 am
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 3:49 am
RE: Transexuals - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - January 8, 2013 at 3:52 am
RE: Transexuals - by Faith No More - January 7, 2013 at 7:15 pm
RE: Transexuals - by paulpablo - January 7, 2013 at 7:16 pm
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 7, 2013 at 7:20 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Psykhronic - January 7, 2013 at 7:51 pm
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 7, 2013 at 7:58 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Darwinian - January 7, 2013 at 8:01 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 7, 2013 at 8:07 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Psykhronic - January 7, 2013 at 8:01 pm
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 7, 2013 at 8:05 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Psykhronic - January 7, 2013 at 8:08 pm
RE: Transexuals - by HorribleOffensiveScouser91 - January 7, 2013 at 9:02 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 7, 2013 at 11:13 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Gilgamesh - January 7, 2013 at 11:27 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 7, 2013 at 11:37 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 7:15 am
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 12:54 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 1:00 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Gilgamesh - January 7, 2013 at 11:49 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Psykhronic - January 7, 2013 at 11:50 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 7, 2013 at 11:53 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Gilgamesh - January 8, 2013 at 12:05 am
RE: Transexuals - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - January 8, 2013 at 12:08 am
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 12:25 am
RE: Transexuals - by Shell B - January 8, 2013 at 12:17 am
RE: Transexuals - by Gilgamesh - January 8, 2013 at 12:19 am
RE: Transexuals - by Shell B - January 8, 2013 at 12:24 am
RE: Transexuals - by Gilgamesh - January 8, 2013 at 12:28 am
RE: Transexuals - by Shell B - January 8, 2013 at 12:49 am
RE: Transexuals - by Gilgamesh - January 8, 2013 at 12:52 am
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 12:55 am
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 12:28 am
RE: Transexuals - by Gilgamesh - January 8, 2013 at 12:36 am
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 12:37 am
RE: Transexuals - by Shell B - January 8, 2013 at 1:59 am
RE: Transexuals - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - January 8, 2013 at 2:03 am
RE: Transexuals - by Justtristo - January 8, 2013 at 2:08 am
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 3:04 am
Re: RE: Transexuals - by fr0d0 - January 8, 2013 at 5:58 am
RE: Transexuals - by Aractus - January 8, 2013 at 7:22 am
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 12:59 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Aractus - January 8, 2013 at 7:40 am
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 8:16 am
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 1:02 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - January 8, 2013 at 1:10 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 1:15 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Aractus - January 8, 2013 at 8:26 am
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 8:37 am
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 8, 2013 at 8:49 am
RE: Transexuals - by Dee Dee Ramone - January 8, 2013 at 8:56 am
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 8, 2013 at 8:57 am
RE: Transexuals - by Dee Dee Ramone - January 8, 2013 at 8:59 am
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 9:04 am
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 8, 2013 at 9:06 am
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 9:11 am
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 1:23 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 1:27 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Aractus - January 8, 2013 at 9:12 am
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 9:16 am
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 8, 2013 at 9:16 am
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Re: RE: Transexuals - by fr0d0 - January 8, 2013 at 8:58 am
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 8, 2013 at 9:03 am
RE: Transexuals - by Aractus - January 8, 2013 at 9:15 am
RE: Transexuals - by Shell B - January 8, 2013 at 11:50 am
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 11:55 am
RE: Transexuals - by Annik - January 8, 2013 at 1:01 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 1:28 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 1:35 pm
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 8, 2013 at 1:35 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Dee Dee Ramone - January 8, 2013 at 9:05 am
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 9:28 am
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 8, 2013 at 9:29 am
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 8, 2013 at 9:13 am
RE: Transexuals - by Aractus - January 8, 2013 at 9:16 am
RE: Transexuals - by Aractus - January 8, 2013 at 9:19 am
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 8, 2013 at 9:21 am
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 9:33 am
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 8, 2013 at 9:37 am
RE: Transexuals - by Napoléon - January 8, 2013 at 9:40 am
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 8, 2013 at 9:41 am
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 9:50 am
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 8, 2013 at 9:53 am
RE: Transexuals - by Ben Davis - January 8, 2013 at 10:00 am
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 8, 2013 at 10:01 am
RE: Transexuals - by Ben Davis - January 8, 2013 at 11:48 am
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 9:43 am
RE: Transexuals - by Aractus - January 8, 2013 at 9:58 am
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 9:20 am
RE: Transexuals - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - January 8, 2013 at 12:12 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Psykhronic - January 8, 2013 at 12:29 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 1:41 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Dee Dee Ramone - January 8, 2013 at 9:27 am
RE: Transexuals - by Napoléon - January 8, 2013 at 9:43 am
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 8, 2013 at 9:49 am
RE: Transexuals - by Napoléon - January 8, 2013 at 9:54 am
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 10:03 am
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 8, 2013 at 10:04 am
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 10:12 am
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 8, 2013 at 10:16 am
RE: Transexuals - by Cato - January 8, 2013 at 10:20 am
RE: Transexuals - by Napoléon - January 8, 2013 at 10:21 am
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 10:26 am
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 10:21 am
RE: Transexuals - by Cato - January 8, 2013 at 10:16 am
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 12:35 pm
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 8, 2013 at 9:57 am
RE: Transexuals - by Napoléon - January 8, 2013 at 9:59 am
RE: Transexuals - by Aractus - January 8, 2013 at 10:04 am
RE: Transexuals - by Aractus - January 8, 2013 at 10:06 am
RE: Transexuals - by Something completely different - January 8, 2013 at 10:11 am
RE: Transexuals - by LastPoet - January 8, 2013 at 10:17 am
RE: Transexuals - by Something completely different - January 8, 2013 at 10:24 am
RE: Transexuals - by Shell B - January 8, 2013 at 12:57 pm
RE: Transexuals - by LastPoet - January 8, 2013 at 12:05 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 12:52 pm
RE: Transexuals - by downbeatplumb - January 8, 2013 at 2:39 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 2:51 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 3:36 pm
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 8, 2013 at 3:37 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 3:39 pm
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 8, 2013 at 3:40 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Gilgamesh - January 8, 2013 at 3:41 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Something completely different - January 8, 2013 at 3:42 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Gilgamesh - January 8, 2013 at 3:43 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Something completely different - January 8, 2013 at 3:44 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Gilgamesh - January 8, 2013 at 3:45 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 3:45 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Aractus - January 9, 2013 at 8:11 am
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 9, 2013 at 8:42 am
RE: Transexuals - by Cato - January 8, 2013 at 3:43 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 3:48 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 3:44 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 3:46 pm
RE: Transexuals - by downbeatplumb - January 8, 2013 at 3:47 pm
RE: Transexuals - by downbeatplumb - January 8, 2013 at 3:45 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 3:48 pm
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 8, 2013 at 3:48 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 3:52 pm
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 8, 2013 at 3:53 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 3:54 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Cinjin - January 8, 2013 at 4:00 pm
RE: Transexuals - by downbeatplumb - January 8, 2013 at 3:53 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 3:54 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Something completely different - January 8, 2013 at 3:55 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Gilgamesh - January 8, 2013 at 3:57 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 3:59 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Something completely different - January 8, 2013 at 4:03 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 4:05 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 4:08 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 4:12 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 4:33 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 4:41 pm
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 8, 2013 at 4:49 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 5:15 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 4:05 pm
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 8, 2013 at 4:11 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 4:19 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Cinjin - January 8, 2013 at 4:23 pm
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 8, 2013 at 4:24 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 4:28 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Cinjin - January 8, 2013 at 5:11 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 4:53 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 4:24 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Something completely different - January 8, 2013 at 4:25 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Something completely different - January 8, 2013 at 4:38 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 4:38 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 5:20 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 5:26 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 5:40 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Psykhronic - January 8, 2013 at 8:35 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 8:50 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 8, 2013 at 9:18 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 9:24 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 10:43 pm
RE: Transexuals - by TaraJo - January 8, 2013 at 11:20 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 8, 2013 at 11:46 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 9, 2013 at 2:11 pm
RE: Transexuals - by TaraJo - January 9, 2013 at 2:56 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Brian37 - January 9, 2013 at 3:17 pm
RE: Transexuals - by TaraJo - January 9, 2013 at 3:26 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 9, 2013 at 5:46 pm
RE: Transexuals - by TaraJo - January 9, 2013 at 6:02 pm
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 9, 2013 at 6:06 pm
RE: Transexuals - by TaraJo - January 9, 2013 at 6:13 pm
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 9, 2013 at 6:20 pm
RE: Transexuals - by TaraJo - January 9, 2013 at 6:32 pm
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 9, 2013 at 6:34 pm
RE: Transexuals - by TaraJo - January 9, 2013 at 6:37 pm
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 9, 2013 at 6:38 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Darwinian - January 9, 2013 at 6:43 pm
RE: Transexuals - by TaraJo - January 9, 2013 at 6:43 pm
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 9, 2013 at 6:56 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Dee Dee Ramone - January 9, 2013 at 6:58 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Dee Dee Ramone - January 9, 2013 at 6:44 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Violet - January 9, 2013 at 10:07 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Creed of Heresy - January 9, 2013 at 6:14 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Psykhronic - January 9, 2013 at 6:43 pm
RE: Transexuals - by TaraJo - January 9, 2013 at 6:45 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Something completely different - January 9, 2013 at 6:46 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Dee Dee Ramone - January 9, 2013 at 6:48 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Something completely different - January 9, 2013 at 6:57 pm
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 9, 2013 at 6:58 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Dee Dee Ramone - January 9, 2013 at 7:00 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Something completely different - January 9, 2013 at 7:01 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Dee Dee Ramone - January 9, 2013 at 7:02 pm
RE: Transexuals - by BGChuckLee - January 9, 2013 at 7:02 pm
RE: Transexuals - by jonb - January 9, 2013 at 7:15 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Something completely different - January 9, 2013 at 7:05 pm
RE: Transexuals - by TaraJo - January 9, 2013 at 7:24 pm
RE: Transexuals - by Cinjin - January 9, 2013 at 10:17 pm

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