Burden of Proof

[The Grand Nudger]

I agree entirely that the scientific method is a great tool and imagination provides many possable avenues, intuition suggests which are most likely and scientific method proves if intuition was correct. But there is no way to test the GOD hypothesis that there would not be flaws in because of course should GOD exist then He would have to be amenable to co-operate with the test.

I've heard enough of this shit, have you even attempted to explain why the god hypothesis cannot be tested? No, you have not, you simply wish to exclude it from testing. "Should god exist" - then what? Then nothing, because even if a god did exist you know absolutely nothing about it, same as the rest of us. None of the shit we call god has any bearing on whatever that thing would be, if this concept has merit in the world beyond our minds none of the gods described thusfar qualify for the title. You can't tell me how your god would spoof a system even after assuming that some-thing- exists because you have no fucking clue as to what it can do, or why it would even spoof a system to begin with. What you meant to say here is, "should god exist, and assuming some thing I think about this god is accurate, -specifically that it wishes to remain hidden - for some reason that i cannot explain, nor can I offer any justification for assuming that it wishes this-then"- Well, sorry bud, no dice. That is the weakness of your position, not it's strength - a massive list of unspoken assumptions for which you cannot shoulder the burden of proof. I understand that you'd rather imagine that it will forever remain a mystery than consider whether or not it has failed. The best you can do is emphasize your own failure and then attempt to lay it over the fabric of the cosmos as if your inability to do something somehow made it impossible? Unfortunately the world beyond our imagination does not always align with our wishes.

I cannot fathom the respect and credence people give this position, I simply cannot. I have never in my life given any serious consideration as to whether or not Tyler Durden (or any other character from any other work of fiction) ever existed real life. It is pointless, and there is no difference between Tyler Durden and God. What is supposed to be mysterious about this? Grown adults, that seem to honestly believe that they might someday meet a figment of someone else's imagination? That's not mysterious, it's just embarrassing - and that's the only thing that's actually going on with regards to subject of god. That's not untesteable, open your damned bible, there god is, now close it- look around you...gone. He cannot leave the page any more than Tyler Durden. Your god is as material and testable as the ink he is continuously recreated with. As material as your own desires that motivate this continual endeavor to favorably redefine it. A "mystery" wholly devoid of mystery. Easily the least impressive thought that has ever crossed the mind of man.

If you want to have a deep discussion about god, fine, start at the very bottom, do work. Stop excusing the idea for it's shortcomings, and don't expect anyone to excuse you for your incompetence in advocating for it. Hopefully this post makes it absolutely clear what my opinion of the subject is, and the kind of work involved in this whole business. Is this the kind of work you're interested in, or would you first demand that I pretend it had already been done-before you're willing to have a conversation about it?