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Would you claim that a system in which rioting mobs roam through the streets, ministers are physicaly attacked, the police is so corrupt that it even scares refugees from syria to go there and other....Is doing fine????

Never said anything like that.

One cannot solve a dept problem by lowering the taxes, that is like extinguishing a fire with a flamethrower.

But we can by cutting billions and billions in useless spending and reforming the tax system. That and a few others things put us in the position to pay off the debt without borrowing more than we pay back.

It is merely confronted with the babyboom generation

Will people stop getting older?

If social healthcare was a system which for some mysterious reasons which only the chosen liberterians can understand is destined to collapse it would have collapsed earlyer.

Please. We aren't the only ones. Besides, my main qualm with socialism isn't its healthcare system.

Helmut Kohls handeling of the 90s finacial crisis was a catastrophy and one prime example of why liberterians should never be involved in the process of solving a financial crisis.

Didn't you say earlier that the price of unification was worth it?

Because they dont understand economics, only how to make money.

That claim is complete bullshit and you know it. Do you honestly think Ludwig von Mises knew nothing about economics?

What do you mean? Are you equating the German economy to the greek economy?

Even a 15 year old would know that that is nonsence.

I was talking about you bailing out your own economy.

nope but the birthpyramid will reach a stabil point once again

You're right- sort of.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germ...73635.html

Germany pumps billions of euros into efforts to increase the number of babies born in the country each year. A new report, however, says this has done little to ease the difficulty many Germans have in reconciling career and family. Plus, many no longer consider children a central part of life.

Each year, the German government spends billions of euros in an effort to stop the country's ticking demographic time bomb. By 2050, it is estimated that only 70 million people will be living in the country, down from today's roughly 82 million. Without a major change in the birthrate or a mass influx of up to 24 million new immigrants, the population could soon begin shrinking, according to United Nations forecasts.

You cannot beat a system, when it is run with german efficiancy

(hehehehe)
So there isn't a significantly increased waiting period for specialized care in a country that has a higher percentage of specialists? Must be the best in the world.

It is one of the main talking points of this years German election!!!!!!!!!

Solutions have been proposed (not failed yet, sorry) and everybody in your country and ours knows they won't work.

Show me the specifics and where it is implemented.

Why can't you do that yourself?

It is closesed to your ideal.

and it`s shit.

Communism is pretty close to your system, and it's shit. See how bad that argument is?

And now you are disingeniously putting words in my mouth.

No, I'm not. You said something that made your point unclear.

access to it prevented if the person in need cannot afford it. Because that is what it essentialy is, and you cannot deny it. Watching people die.

This is such a typical Socialist argument, and it's an obvious argumentum ad misericordiam. I've done my research on socialist healthcare and you need to do yours on libertarian healthcare.

If health would be a good, one could argue that some couldnt afford it, which would lead to social darwinism.

That doesn't even happen under healthcare systems that aren't libertarian.

yours has failed!!!!!!

And then you people whine arround

"But the american modle isnt real liberterian"

Well I have heared enought communist dipshits argue that:

"Stalin wasn`t a real communist"

Face it boy!!! If something associated with your idiology is seen as bad, it doesnt simply lose that association by dishonestly and patheticaly calling it "unreal".

How many times do I have to fucking hammer it through your skull? That is an incomplete comparison. Let's get a scenario where we can use your argument. I'm skilled in technology and I can build computers running Windows 7 with a default efficient antivirus system. A man who has a Windows 7 PC complains to me that his PC has viruses and that because he couldn't fix the problems or prevent them it's the fault of his computer's maker. Not only that, but because I use Windows 7, my computers are terrible and should not even be tried.

That's faulty logic, isn't it? It is in this scenario and it is when you use it.

awsome charety.

So complete economic failure and greedy rich people providing no charity equates to doctors providing no charity in a country where there is not a complete economic failure?

Social healthcare gives numbers statistics and a plan.Whilest yours relies on a shady prediction! You should finaly get used to replacing the word "will be" with "could be" because that`s what it is!!!

If person A watches me die of cancer because I cant pay person A for saving me.

Once again: Please research Libertarian healthcare.

So why do people in the US always constantly point to that 200 year old piece of paper when trying to fix modern problems?

You're assuming it can't be changed.

When persons (plural) alphabet decide that their comunitie has a basic need which should be covered to ensure the entire comunities efficiancy, this comunity can chose tho pull together to assure everyones basic need in that category is fullfilled.

You're assuming that socialism is the only system that provides health. The Libertarian system, like I said earlier, provides affordable, accessible healthcare with charity by doctors to those who cannot afford anything at all.

Privatised healthcare in the US, is shit.

I agree!

here is a suporter of the right to health:

http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Publicati...heet31.pdf

yes your representatives signed that.

According to you my representatives don't think health is a human right. Make up your mind.

(we have some of the lowest market regulations in Europe) but to assure the health of the communities.

Good on you then.

rich person might be noble enought to help

Who thinks that? Actually, Libertarians never rely on the charity of anyone but doctors, but we know that billions and billions in charity from people of all income levels come in ever year.
But it doesnt assure anything.

I would like to see the source of this text.

http://www.humblelibertarian.com/2011/11...-with.html
Number 24.

ianrand

Ayn Rand?

I wish there was a godwins law for people who scream commie at everything bad.

Just informing you where that system came from.

Really? I don't have to pay for their insurance and they can afford it. Where does it go sour?

A private insurer would have eighter bankrupted the butchers buisness or amputated his legs, and I am not just saying that, that is what the head of the hospital said in an interview.

If he had affordable insurance than the same would have happened. That is what happens to an insured person in our country. And I know this because I've heard about it happening and I know people who have had it happen to them.

trouble which confront german privat insurance companies do not suprise him

What trouble? Rich people are going

dentists son.

Who?

But why am I arguing with you anyway!!!!

You will never change your opinion.

How do you think I feel? You misquote me, you change the subject, and you bring up unrelated subjects.

You see, I am a pragmatists, I have voted for various parties, and I do not have one fixated political affiliation.

I used to be a democrat until I realized that nothing new was going on and that the two parties were so similar that the system had broken. I realized it was time for a change.

the thing that sounds nice, but the thing that works.

Providing healthcare to everyone sounds nice, but does not work. It's not a magic fix-it-all to all healthcare problems. Increased government involvement means increased prices. And providing the healthcare for free does not make costs dissipate. The public sector swells. Taxes have to be raised. Then wages of government employees have to be lowered. Hospitals are less profitable. It's just a gradual failure, like it has been in Sweden.