(January 14, 2013 at 2:53 pm)Ryantology Wrote: Actually, yes. The conditions for the original sin were put into place by God. He made the tree from which they weren't supposed to eat, and he made Eve gullible. He also made the serpent who charmed her. Didn't God make everything?Yes, God made choice. All of those things were needed to provide true choice.
Quote:Why were we given that ability, when the Bible makes it clear that God hates it when we express our own will?So we would ultimatly have the ablity to choose where Wanted to spend eternity.
Quote:Why would he give us the option to disobey if he didn't want us to disobey, and would hand down harsh punishments for disobedience?Seeing Banishment as a Harsh punishment is all a matter of perspective. God created a Race of being to Serve in Heaven, and when given the choice a 1/3 left Heaven in favor of banishment. we have the option to choose to seperate ourself from God Even though God does not want us to seperate ourselves from Him.
Quote:If God gave us that choice, then it can only he his fault that we choose it.Why do you believe one needs to assign blame for choice?
Quote:Why should we atone for something we can't avoid doing?Because it seperates us from God. and if we Truly love God we would not want to be seperated from him.
Quote:Why should we be sorry to God when it's his fault we're made this way?We are made this way, to give us choice.
Quote:If a design fails, by definition it is not perfect. If God is perfect, then the failure of humanity was intentional....and?
Now, Finish your thought. The failure of Humanity was planned but so was the redemption of humanity was planned as well.
Quote:Why should I be sorry for breaking arbitrary rules? Why should I want a relationship with a God who makes rules I can't follow and expects me to atone for it?Not all do Hence the choice/sin you have been born unto. You have been given over to choose, That you choose is the purpose of this life, not what you choose. What you choose in this life will determine the next.
Quote:I judge God by 'moral' standards because I see no reason to accept your assumption that God's standards are better than mine.Remember God and I ascribe to the might makes right philosphy. Because He is in power and has complete Authority His standards do indeed trump your own.
Remember Judgement is not about moral philosphy or a eastern sense of enlightment. It's about What God says do, and where you fall between what He said do and what you have done. Because you fall short your only hope lies in attonemnt/grace.