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muhammeds purpose
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RE: muhammeds purpose
(January 20, 2013 at 8:09 pm)apophenia Wrote:


Uniting people with words, urging people to do things they might not want to do, and persuading them to make sacrifices for the common good, even to fighting in wars, is not a miracle. What of this is not possible for a man who is not chosen by a god? Politicians do this all the time. If followers of Islam have such a low bar for an event to be considered "a miracle" then I may rethink the claims I've heard. Hell, at least Christian miracles require a violation of natural law. I guess in Islam-o-speech the word "miracle" translates as "something very, very special."



Response: Your proof that it is humanly possible for a person/s to inspire enough people to follow him/her to conquer a nation by using humanmande speech/literature that goes against the likes and beliefs of those people is based on nothing but "because a book says so", making it hearsay evidence. The qur'an challenge provides a hands on-eyewitness account that inspiring enough followers to conquer a nation, or just the street you live on, by using human-made speech/literature that goes against what the people want is humanly impossible, because anyone who takes the challenge will fail and not come close to answering it.

a hands-on eyewitness account is more credible than your hearsay, thus the argument fails to disprove the fact that Muhammad performed a miracle and the Qur'an is the true word of Allah.

(January 20, 2013 at 8:13 pm)Ryantology Wrote: What proof do you have that this book's claim is accurate?

Response: The inability to show error is proof of its accuracy.
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muhammeds purpose - by paulpablo - January 20, 2013 at 2:50 pm
RE: muhammeds purpose - by Nine - January 20, 2013 at 2:51 pm
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RE: muhammeds purpose - by WinterHold - January 20, 2013 at 7:08 pm
RE: muhammeds purpose - by Al-Fatihah - January 20, 2013 at 7:11 pm
RE: muhammeds purpose - by paulpablo - January 20, 2013 at 9:32 pm
RE: muhammeds purpose - by WinterHold - January 20, 2013 at 9:43 pm
RE: muhammeds purpose - by paulpablo - January 20, 2013 at 9:59 pm
RE: muhammeds purpose - by Al-Fatihah - January 21, 2013 at 4:52 am
RE: muhammeds purpose - by paulpablo - January 21, 2013 at 10:27 am
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RE: muhammeds purpose - by paulpablo - January 21, 2013 at 10:45 am
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