(January 21, 2013 at 2:29 pm)paulpablo Wrote:Quote:Response: Once again, an example does in fact have to be related to a command, in order for it to be an example of Muhammad. For muslims are only obligated to do what is commanded. So modeling Muhammad would be to mimic what Muhammad commanded. Muhammad never commanded anyone to marry a 9 yesr old, so it is not an example of Muhammad.
This was what you said in your message to me, you say that an example does have to be related to a command.
I said according to the dictionary you are wrong, NOT ME, the dictionary, according to the dictionary an example is an ideal, a concept worthy of copying.
An examplar is somone worthy of copying or somone who it would be good to mimic.
Now i didnt make any claim here, im giving you the text book definition of what the word "example" is, regardless of the point which the quran is making.
Quote:Muhammad never commanded anyone to marry a 9 yesr old, so it is not an example of Muhammad
This is incorrect, i dont just mean because you spelt the word years wrong, i mean an example of somone could mean anything that they do or say or anything that is an example of their behaviour or code of conduct. Its like you saying "if somone wants to follow the example of bill gates they should not earn lots of money because bill gates didnt command anyone to earn lots of money"
This argument isnt even about the quran really, its about your special definition of the word example that doesnt agree with the dictionary
Quote:So the better question is how long will you drag out your pleading before you actually state your agenda?
Im not pleading, either tell me if you think the quran verses i posted are correct translations or dont, its really no skin off my bollocks either way
Response: And I debunked your bogus claim by showing that the verse in question is written with context. The context to follow the command of Allah is in verse 4:59. Therefore, if the verses say to follow one's command and the other says Muhammad is the examle, then your claim that it only refers to follow the example and not the command is wrong. The message of the Qur'an is not summed up in one verse. No one disputed the definition of the word example, nor does it refute what I stated. In fact , stating the verse says to follow what Muhammad"s example to follow a command is according to the dictionary and the definition of example, since it includes the definition of example.
Your logic is as follows:
The man is running a marathon.
The definition of running here means to sprint.
The man is running for president
Here we see the same word running is used. Does running in the second sentence mean to sprint as well. No. Why? Because of CONTEXT.
The example clearly shows that words refer can refer to different things depending on its context. Similarly, verse 4:59 says to obey Allah. Therefore, to follow the example of Muhammad means to follow his example of how to obey Allah's command.
So your argument utterly fails.