This was the whole "debate" between me and the moron i mean mormon:
One day you will stand in his presence and shrink with fear and shame that you ever doubted his existence!!!
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Georgo Jergus Baca Do I sense patronising? Do I sense bigotry from you? Is that a way of a person that is enlighten by the love of god? Double standard is a common thing in christian church but in some dominions more than others, but more than anything I am truly surprised that it is coming from a member of the church of jesus christ since usually you are more open and less judging than other dominions, but than again you believe that when Jesus will come back he is going to have a summerhouse in ohio so who am I to judge...
Friday at 08:44 · Like
Georgo Jergus Baca http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN4M8PvpmW4
Dawkins and Krauss on Mormonism
Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss discuss religious beliefs of political candidates.
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Scott Harkness Georgo, I just found the picture offensive... It mocks the core of Christianity.
God lives, I have felt his hand in my life, but you would think me strange to believe this; that's fine by me... But to call me a bigot, or patronising to make a statement that the bible clearly teaches... I genuinely thought you were smarter than to do what every other atheist does which is try to turn my beliefs on me and saying I'm condemning you... Ill gladly argue doctrine, but I don't think you know enough to take me on!!!
Friday at 10:03 via mobile · Like
Georgo Jergus Baca i strongly disbelieve that stating clearly how christianity is fundamentally wrong is somehow not intellectual in matter of fact that was the whole point to undermine christianity at its fundamental level. I am not every other atheist, I do not go on christian sites and post atheist pictures neither am I going on your website and trying to undermine your beliefs. and Yes it does mock the core of christianity that is precisely why I believe that christianity as any other religion is wrong!!! If I thought that chirstianity is right I would be christian!! And to the part where you are not condemning me, Do I go to you and say that you are pathetic for believing? no I do not. do I think that christians are softheaded and irrational yes but that is what makes me an atheist considering social morality and natural science based on facts supported by continual research through science. Do i have enough to take on you? that is truly not what I am trying to do, you can belief all you need and want to. I dont go door to door and try to convince to abandon their beliefs no, that is your job... or am I wrong? and!! if you are so proud at least you will admit that that is precisely what you do, you go door to door and try to convince people to believe in your way of thinking, so YES that DOEs make you (not you personally but every religious person) a bigot. because i believe that ALL of religion is wrong not just one, you cannot even agree among yourselves what to believe in that only makes it more difficult to believe that any religion is plausible and relevant.
Friday at 10:19 · Like
Scott Harkness I studied biochemistry at queens, to me, science backs up what I was taught.
You don't have to call my beliefs pathetic, your picture says it for you!
As I said talk to me about sciences, or doctrinal points, ill school your 1 dimensional thoughts harder than you can imagine!!!
Friday at 10:51 via mobile · Like
Georgo Jergus Baca please are you honestly thinking that I have no scientific knowledge? That is all I do, My scientific understanding is not cornered by religious indoctrination. YOU as a christian should not even believe in evolution, yet you probably do and if you dont, than dont call yourself a scientist, because there is a difference between having a scientific understanding and having a scientific mind. EVERY religion person LACKS scientific mind. Religion is irrational it may as well be logical ( although if we start discussing that on a larger scale we will find many inconsistencies in logic in the new and old testament) but it still lacks ANY evidence what so ever. THE FACT that you are a mormon is even more idiotic ( and yes i am starting to be more militant because you are the one that offended me in a first place) because your teachings are found by every christian and non christian dominion as absurd. And the fact that you have studied biochemistry, do you trully believe that because of that you know more about science than me?? have you even read any book by any actual scholar?? I hardly think so, you are to busy to read books that are brainwashing and indoctrinating your brain. The majority of all trusted scholars that study natural sciences and are being published are atheists. So tell me one religious scientist that made ANY contribution what so ever to the scientific community. So you trying me lecturing on my 1 dimensional way of thinking. please if you even new anything about dimension you would realise that we already live in a 3 dimensional world plus one dimension of time. and even if god WAS in a different dimension that would still made him a being that was created within the dimension of space and time of the universe. and therefore cannot be a creator of the universe. so he might as well be the creator of us!!! BUT he would still have to arise by some sort of non random natural selection... So please keep your queens biochemistry. which is by the way a course that i am interested in. but dont think that because i dont have a degree YET i dont have a scientific knowledge because that would be just sad to bring a certificate into a game and as a last remark, I do NoT judge you for what you believe in. I judge in WHAT you believe in, I have met you and remember you as a great guy to whom I talked and had a lot to talk about. But same as you have a right to express your believes I have a right to express my opinion about it.. and even though I have done it indirectly you are the one that tried to do what every stereotypical christian does try to change my mind be fear of the unknown. well I dont believe there is any god and I will treat a religion as a scam as a poison as a virus. because thats what it is...
Friday at 19:27 · Like
Georgo Jergus Baca adn i am not going to have any more discussion on this subject... believe in what you believe, i will not stop being an atheist so waste of time to try to describe me how much am i going to suffer,
Friday at 23:50 · Like
Scott Harkness Sorry if I've caused offence, I've not had much time to write back today... Science is an amazing thing, it helps us understand certain aspects of our bodies and the surrounding environment, but the facts are science is all theory till proven wrong! Most aspects of the universe and evolution is all theory... It is not a fact, anyone who understands science knows it cannot be 100% as we currently are unable to provide the evidence of many theories.
Science theory helps us try to piece together information to try to make sense of the world. Evolution is not a proven fact, it makes for good theory, but we cannot prove evolution, DNA does not change unless a mutation occurs, mutations in chromosomes create a sterile host, so cannot reproduce, on this very basic fact alone evolution has to be questioned, if change in chromosomal structure creates an sterile host, the mutation stops with them... So physical evolution caused by mutation is impossible.
Natural selection on the other hand makes sense, lots of geno types in a species create a possibility of many out comes when breeding and can change the colour of hair, skin, muscle growth brain function and so on... This is evolution, but it cannot explain how a single cell turned into a human; then all of a sudden show no sign of change for millions of years... Height, skin colour or health abnormalities may have changed but that's natural selection not monkeys turning into people!
One thing science history teaches is how wrong scientists have got it in the past... Evolutional theory is on the verge of destruction by scientists at the moment because evidence continues to dictate that traditional evolutional thoughts aren't possible.
All men everywhere are free to live anyway they wish... I choose to believe to have faith in a loving God, you choose to have faith in Science! It's the same principle, yet my faith gives me hope, love, charity, values, peace and long suffering... Your faith in sciences gives you very little because you know very little about it, because the more a man understands science, the more he questions how little he knows and how possible the idea of something bigger than him exists.
Yesterday at 00:31 via mobile · Like
Lauren Hanna I have never seen more errors in what you describe as science read some evolutionary literature and make some research on what evolution is because you are mixing apples with oranges. Your gaps are enormous clearly no idea what natural selection is less bible more science literature
15 hours ago via mobile · Like
Lauren Hanna And please stop describing yourself as a scientist because you embarrass every true scientist there is
15 hours ago via mobile · Like
Georgo Jergus Baca theories are fact until proven wrong. Crearly misunderstanding between hypothesis and theory, so not much up to an english language either. Clearly you are an opportunist as every religious person adopt what fits into your belief and exclude everything that doesnt. Clearly you have never read further into the subject of evolution but non the less I am wasting my time with you here. You are a free man you are allowed to believe in whatever you desire. I am going to overlook your insults towards my persona and just let it be. But I will finish with last remark. Science is about questioning everything we see around us and everything that affects our nature and that include the idea of god you have no guts to do so others do, and maybe science (or what you describe as science) fits into your repertoire of believes, but for what i have seen in your reply it is adaptation of bits and pieces that fits into your ideology and ignoring the rest of 99 percent. So cool thing, believe that earth is 6 thousand years old and that he visited native americans believe that we have just magically appear. I will stick to science a REAL science and at least i have a certain level of pride and it doesnt hurt my ego that i believe that i am a descendant of an ape it clearly hurts your!! ego ... so stay arrogant and dont ever comment something that doesnt concern you, and one more thing read at least one book on evolution and that make a comment, when you'll have a little insight on what evolution is and how it comes about
12 hours ago · Like
Scott Harkness Lol... I wrote a 4000 word assignment on evolution in my final year and scored 84% trust me I've read all about evolution... I'm sure more than you both!
I was leaving out 99% because this is Facebook... And I writing you this on a phone, also I'm almost sure you don't understand the science behind evolution, because so far all you've done is tried to discredit me by picking at my faith, you have not challenged me with scientific facts.
I was illustrating the fact that science like religion can be swung to fit any argument... What I said is 100% fact Lauren, what did I say that was factually incorrect?
Something so basic can be used to argue your point to be wrong, all you two are saying is your wrong, your offending me... Please! Hit me with some scientific facts to prove me wrong!
Or don't and we can leave it... Save you repeating yourself again?
12 hours ago via mobile · Like
Georgo Jergus Baca a creatonist writing a assingment on evolution you must be joking me
just to clarify we are not monkeys we are apes and so cousins of monkeys not evolved from monkeys
12 hours ago · Like · 1
Scott Harkness Lol... Fair enough! Ill give you that
12 hours ago via mobile · Like
Georgo Jergus Baca monkeys took a different evolutionary path and so are perfectly happy being monkeys,,
12 hours ago · Like
Michael Kerr what happened to christian george?
11 hours ago · Like · 2
Scott Harkness Some people follow the crowd...
11 hours ago via mobile · Like
Georgo Jergus Baca a bit sarcastic for a christian dont you think ?
One day you will stand in his presence and shrink with fear and shame that you ever doubted his existence!!!
Friday at 00:26 via mobile · Like · 1
Georgo Jergus Baca Do I sense patronising? Do I sense bigotry from you? Is that a way of a person that is enlighten by the love of god? Double standard is a common thing in christian church but in some dominions more than others, but more than anything I am truly surprised that it is coming from a member of the church of jesus christ since usually you are more open and less judging than other dominions, but than again you believe that when Jesus will come back he is going to have a summerhouse in ohio so who am I to judge...
Friday at 08:44 · Like
Georgo Jergus Baca http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN4M8PvpmW4
Dawkins and Krauss on Mormonism
Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss discuss religious beliefs of political candidates.
Friday at 09:15 · Like · Remove Preview
Scott Harkness Georgo, I just found the picture offensive... It mocks the core of Christianity.
God lives, I have felt his hand in my life, but you would think me strange to believe this; that's fine by me... But to call me a bigot, or patronising to make a statement that the bible clearly teaches... I genuinely thought you were smarter than to do what every other atheist does which is try to turn my beliefs on me and saying I'm condemning you... Ill gladly argue doctrine, but I don't think you know enough to take me on!!!
Friday at 10:03 via mobile · Like
Georgo Jergus Baca i strongly disbelieve that stating clearly how christianity is fundamentally wrong is somehow not intellectual in matter of fact that was the whole point to undermine christianity at its fundamental level. I am not every other atheist, I do not go on christian sites and post atheist pictures neither am I going on your website and trying to undermine your beliefs. and Yes it does mock the core of christianity that is precisely why I believe that christianity as any other religion is wrong!!! If I thought that chirstianity is right I would be christian!! And to the part where you are not condemning me, Do I go to you and say that you are pathetic for believing? no I do not. do I think that christians are softheaded and irrational yes but that is what makes me an atheist considering social morality and natural science based on facts supported by continual research through science. Do i have enough to take on you? that is truly not what I am trying to do, you can belief all you need and want to. I dont go door to door and try to convince to abandon their beliefs no, that is your job... or am I wrong? and!! if you are so proud at least you will admit that that is precisely what you do, you go door to door and try to convince people to believe in your way of thinking, so YES that DOEs make you (not you personally but every religious person) a bigot. because i believe that ALL of religion is wrong not just one, you cannot even agree among yourselves what to believe in that only makes it more difficult to believe that any religion is plausible and relevant.
Friday at 10:19 · Like
Scott Harkness I studied biochemistry at queens, to me, science backs up what I was taught.
You don't have to call my beliefs pathetic, your picture says it for you!
As I said talk to me about sciences, or doctrinal points, ill school your 1 dimensional thoughts harder than you can imagine!!!
Friday at 10:51 via mobile · Like
Georgo Jergus Baca please are you honestly thinking that I have no scientific knowledge? That is all I do, My scientific understanding is not cornered by religious indoctrination. YOU as a christian should not even believe in evolution, yet you probably do and if you dont, than dont call yourself a scientist, because there is a difference between having a scientific understanding and having a scientific mind. EVERY religion person LACKS scientific mind. Religion is irrational it may as well be logical ( although if we start discussing that on a larger scale we will find many inconsistencies in logic in the new and old testament) but it still lacks ANY evidence what so ever. THE FACT that you are a mormon is even more idiotic ( and yes i am starting to be more militant because you are the one that offended me in a first place) because your teachings are found by every christian and non christian dominion as absurd. And the fact that you have studied biochemistry, do you trully believe that because of that you know more about science than me?? have you even read any book by any actual scholar?? I hardly think so, you are to busy to read books that are brainwashing and indoctrinating your brain. The majority of all trusted scholars that study natural sciences and are being published are atheists. So tell me one religious scientist that made ANY contribution what so ever to the scientific community. So you trying me lecturing on my 1 dimensional way of thinking. please if you even new anything about dimension you would realise that we already live in a 3 dimensional world plus one dimension of time. and even if god WAS in a different dimension that would still made him a being that was created within the dimension of space and time of the universe. and therefore cannot be a creator of the universe. so he might as well be the creator of us!!! BUT he would still have to arise by some sort of non random natural selection... So please keep your queens biochemistry. which is by the way a course that i am interested in. but dont think that because i dont have a degree YET i dont have a scientific knowledge because that would be just sad to bring a certificate into a game and as a last remark, I do NoT judge you for what you believe in. I judge in WHAT you believe in, I have met you and remember you as a great guy to whom I talked and had a lot to talk about. But same as you have a right to express your believes I have a right to express my opinion about it.. and even though I have done it indirectly you are the one that tried to do what every stereotypical christian does try to change my mind be fear of the unknown. well I dont believe there is any god and I will treat a religion as a scam as a poison as a virus. because thats what it is...
Friday at 19:27 · Like
Georgo Jergus Baca adn i am not going to have any more discussion on this subject... believe in what you believe, i will not stop being an atheist so waste of time to try to describe me how much am i going to suffer,
Friday at 23:50 · Like
Scott Harkness Sorry if I've caused offence, I've not had much time to write back today... Science is an amazing thing, it helps us understand certain aspects of our bodies and the surrounding environment, but the facts are science is all theory till proven wrong! Most aspects of the universe and evolution is all theory... It is not a fact, anyone who understands science knows it cannot be 100% as we currently are unable to provide the evidence of many theories.
Science theory helps us try to piece together information to try to make sense of the world. Evolution is not a proven fact, it makes for good theory, but we cannot prove evolution, DNA does not change unless a mutation occurs, mutations in chromosomes create a sterile host, so cannot reproduce, on this very basic fact alone evolution has to be questioned, if change in chromosomal structure creates an sterile host, the mutation stops with them... So physical evolution caused by mutation is impossible.
Natural selection on the other hand makes sense, lots of geno types in a species create a possibility of many out comes when breeding and can change the colour of hair, skin, muscle growth brain function and so on... This is evolution, but it cannot explain how a single cell turned into a human; then all of a sudden show no sign of change for millions of years... Height, skin colour or health abnormalities may have changed but that's natural selection not monkeys turning into people!
One thing science history teaches is how wrong scientists have got it in the past... Evolutional theory is on the verge of destruction by scientists at the moment because evidence continues to dictate that traditional evolutional thoughts aren't possible.
All men everywhere are free to live anyway they wish... I choose to believe to have faith in a loving God, you choose to have faith in Science! It's the same principle, yet my faith gives me hope, love, charity, values, peace and long suffering... Your faith in sciences gives you very little because you know very little about it, because the more a man understands science, the more he questions how little he knows and how possible the idea of something bigger than him exists.
Yesterday at 00:31 via mobile · Like
Lauren Hanna I have never seen more errors in what you describe as science read some evolutionary literature and make some research on what evolution is because you are mixing apples with oranges. Your gaps are enormous clearly no idea what natural selection is less bible more science literature
15 hours ago via mobile · Like
Lauren Hanna And please stop describing yourself as a scientist because you embarrass every true scientist there is
15 hours ago via mobile · Like
Georgo Jergus Baca theories are fact until proven wrong. Crearly misunderstanding between hypothesis and theory, so not much up to an english language either. Clearly you are an opportunist as every religious person adopt what fits into your belief and exclude everything that doesnt. Clearly you have never read further into the subject of evolution but non the less I am wasting my time with you here. You are a free man you are allowed to believe in whatever you desire. I am going to overlook your insults towards my persona and just let it be. But I will finish with last remark. Science is about questioning everything we see around us and everything that affects our nature and that include the idea of god you have no guts to do so others do, and maybe science (or what you describe as science) fits into your repertoire of believes, but for what i have seen in your reply it is adaptation of bits and pieces that fits into your ideology and ignoring the rest of 99 percent. So cool thing, believe that earth is 6 thousand years old and that he visited native americans believe that we have just magically appear. I will stick to science a REAL science and at least i have a certain level of pride and it doesnt hurt my ego that i believe that i am a descendant of an ape it clearly hurts your!! ego ... so stay arrogant and dont ever comment something that doesnt concern you, and one more thing read at least one book on evolution and that make a comment, when you'll have a little insight on what evolution is and how it comes about
12 hours ago · Like
Scott Harkness Lol... I wrote a 4000 word assignment on evolution in my final year and scored 84% trust me I've read all about evolution... I'm sure more than you both!
I was leaving out 99% because this is Facebook... And I writing you this on a phone, also I'm almost sure you don't understand the science behind evolution, because so far all you've done is tried to discredit me by picking at my faith, you have not challenged me with scientific facts.
I was illustrating the fact that science like religion can be swung to fit any argument... What I said is 100% fact Lauren, what did I say that was factually incorrect?
Something so basic can be used to argue your point to be wrong, all you two are saying is your wrong, your offending me... Please! Hit me with some scientific facts to prove me wrong!
Or don't and we can leave it... Save you repeating yourself again?
12 hours ago via mobile · Like
Georgo Jergus Baca a creatonist writing a assingment on evolution you must be joking me
just to clarify we are not monkeys we are apes and so cousins of monkeys not evolved from monkeys
12 hours ago · Like · 1
Scott Harkness Lol... Fair enough! Ill give you that
12 hours ago via mobile · Like
Georgo Jergus Baca monkeys took a different evolutionary path and so are perfectly happy being monkeys,,
12 hours ago · Like
Michael Kerr what happened to christian george?
11 hours ago · Like · 2
Scott Harkness Some people follow the crowd...
11 hours ago via mobile · Like
Georgo Jergus Baca a bit sarcastic for a christian dont you think ?
