RE: golden dawn
February 4, 2013 at 10:48 am
(This post was last modified: February 4, 2013 at 11:18 am by Dee Dee Ramone.)
(February 4, 2013 at 10:15 am)justin Wrote: Sweden? Really? I have always heard really progressive thing about them:/ i live in south carolina and we have conservative sheep and creationists and the whole race thing but nothing like this golden dawn. I get france being ok with it. I mean they know if they start a war their just gonna surrender so..it's in their nature hahaha or call for support a couple days after they start for the u.s
Sweden has a long social democratic tradition and in total seven political parties in the parliament, but they sure don't have a party like Golden Dawn.
(February 4, 2013 at 10:44 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: The history of fashism is something really complex.
Ask a random person what fashism is and that person will say "Hitler, Germany, NSDAP" a person who will be a bit smarter will also mention Italy and Mussolini.
But no one will mention:
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Especially the brutal Arrow Cross Party from Hungaria, the Croat fashists, Franco and Salazar are worth mentioning.
Fashism didnt just start off in Germany and Italy, it started of in all off Europe and even the world (Egypt, India, Lebanon) and was seen as a legitemat political movement.
No matter how progressive a country might be, almoust every European country had a fashist party in it`s past.
And everything rightwing you see today in Europe is a resemblence of this past.
It depends largely on how well a country worked up it`s history, to see how many fascist are still arround in politics today.
And I think it is worth mentioning, since fashism is connected to catholicism historicaly and culturaly that even today the biggest rise in right wingish bollocks is happening in catholic Europe.
It's true the Catholics in the Netherlands lean to Geert Wilders, but more because they live in the 'poorest and uneducated' southern region relatively far away from where the decisions are made. They feel left out for different reasons. Geert Wilders is not the result of a history of fascism, we hardly have a fascist history here in democratic periods including the 1930's. Geert Wilders is possible because his more or less moderate predecessor Fortuyn (former social democrat) was shot right before the elections. Before he was shot all the parties screamed in choir that he was a fascist, which he was not. He was a populist saying things about immigration which provoked a world war 2 reflex from all the other parties.
Now the traditional right is scarred to insult him because they don't want to make a hero of Wilders. Quite some retarded people say 'they' killed the one man who dares to say 'those' things and now vote even extremer....that's why Geert Wilders is always stressing out how endangered he is acting his freedom of speech.
Anyway, Geert Wilders, if he fits in any tradition, fits in a long dutch tradition of populist protest parties...from left to right.
I don't think that's in line with fascism?
Thanks for the links by the way :-).
