Is castrating young boys ethical?

[Violet]

Have you considered that the parents might have sexually abused their children in other ways with simply another justification?

Of course. That does not change my argument.

Didn't say it did... just that there's more ways to look at it.

Puberty is complete roughly four years before a person reaches adulthood. It is hardly a stretch to expect a person to wait and then make that choice independently.

Is it? I dunno... assuming your right: 4 years seemed a long time to me, and I really didn't care if I made it or not. Fighting an uphill battle to start fixing something that has made you miserable for about 3/7ths of your life isn't easy, and in a common school environment: it really isn't worth it.

I was actually given the option to start HRT when I was 16, by a drug dealer of course... I was scared. Not of HRT, not of the dealer, not of what it would do to me: but of what others would do to me. These kinds of decisions should never be independent ones, if someone has shown an unshaken belief for years: it should *definitely* be with the support of those who love that person, however grudgingly given. I've been around trans forums, met some score of real life transpeople... and listening to their stories and continuing experiences, and in general: it's sick.

Adulthood as an age-line is meaningless, I've said this since I came here at 15, and I was told that it would (magically) make sense after I crossed that age line... I'm going to cross it for a second time soon, so far no sense made.

Oh, sweetie. That was a strawman. I did not saying anything about the likelihood. I said I prefer it that way. If you're more concerned about your sex organs than your schoolwork at that age, your parents need to redirect your attention. Furthermore, my genitals have never ruled my life so much that I found it impossible to live for thinking about them.

No, Shelly: that was a joke Someone needs to take their serious cap off every once in a while.

* Violet gives Shellerby a party hat.

Hehe... my parents needed to redirect my attention from pain, fear, and desperately clutching the slightest of self-esteem I could find... to boring schoolwork that would be ongoing at the same time? Oh but they sure tried. When beatings didn't work, they tried removing all of my game systems and hiding them, when that didn't work they grounded me, when that didn't work they removed a number of the books from my room and hid them, when that didn't work they took me to psychologists who wanted to inhibit me so I could focus on schoolwork (thankfully, my parents wouldn't do such to me, and I'm very glad for it. Don't trust shrinks, of course.), and eventually they realized that none of these things mattered to me, and so they made a deal with me to do my homework and I'd get them. I did homework occasionally more often so that my entertainment wasn't reduced to Irish CDs and my own little world (imagination, can't rob that from me without drugs, and if you do: you suck).

My genitals don't rule my life, Shell... my face, my hair, my trachea, my hands, my feet, my arms, my legs, my ass, my boobs, my face, my shoulders, my genitals: these all are a part of my life, and when heaped together make up a good portion of it. My emotions are another major portion of my life. And socialization is a major part of it too (insight to a few years ago). Without even getting into my sex life: ALL of these things are *massively* affected by testosterone going through my system, and even more so since it didn't match what I am. Actually, if I had it to do again, I'd sacrifice ever having orgasm again for it... luckily, removing the scrotum and testes isn't the same as removing the penis (take that, pituitary gland!).

Edit: made a word mistake, fixed it.

I am rather certain I could manage a relatively happy existence for a few years with a penis. It would be uncomfortable and I would not be a huge fan, but I would rather do that than have my parents involved in a gender reassignment surgery that could go wrong. Plastic surgery, which is what this is, is not something a minor should undergo. It is elective and dangerous. When you are an adult, go ahead and take that risk. Until that time, stop thinking about your genitals and get some homework done.

It's not the penis that'll really get to you, it's that damn scrotum. Though, the penis sucks too, don't get me wrong I would much rather have had my parents (positively) involved in my life, I've fought pretty damn hard for them to see me as a girl for six and a half years... and every phonecall I have with them remains more bitter than sweet.

... Having parents involved in GRS is probably the best thing that could happen for someone. Having them involved in the decision-making process of a teenager is probably the best thing that could ever be done for that teenager (assuming the parents aren't absolute shitheads, hehe). This specific plastic surgery itself shouldn't be undergone until the person has stopped physically growing, fewer potential problems. An orchiectomy, on the other hand, is financially best done as early as possible if it's going to be done. Saves on a ton of unneeded risks from androgen blockers, saves on an always increasing total expense until SRS. Retains penis if one finds they want it in the future (gender-fluidity and all that). Not to mention a zero % chance to make anyone pregnant ever And one can still get testosterone into their system if they find this isn't the path for them (transmen do this all the time, and it gives them a *lot* of sex drive).

Until you've stopped thinking that transpeople get 'sex changes' because of their genitals first and foremost, you should probably stop commenting on trans-topics as if you know what they're about