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Why don't Christians pay Muslims the same respect ?
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RE: Why don't Christians pay Muslims the same respect ?
(February 6, 2013 at 12:24 pm)AtlasS Wrote: Let me explain.

The overall description of Christians in Islam is not biased, they are people just like anyone else, but their religion has a feature which makes some of them humble (the most religious).
Book Chapter and verse please. (In your book, after all if your repersenting True Islam™ then you should be able to support your beliefs with book chapter and verse.
Because arrogance doesn't exist in christianity, we are most likely not to fight or hate.

On the other hand, no promises were given if christians simply threw away their humility & replace it with ego. That what happened in the crusades.[/quote]Again the seperation between Islam and all other religions was made long before the first crusade. These are Muhammad's rules not ours.

Quote:I hope the link is clear now.
Indeed you favor the bait and switch method of logical thinking. Rather than addressing what your 'holy book' actually says, you have subverted to speaking about the crusades (something completely off topic)

Quote:And there is something else you don't clearly get about Islam.

Dude.. when we speak about division in the Quran, it's not a nationalist speech for muslims to rise & get a country & invade anybody else.

It's simply how I deal with jews,christians & others on a faith level.

for example, a jew came to me & said : atlas, your religion sucks ! why don't you change a couple of verses ?

but we're not speaking about social life.

I have known christians, and we never opened up the topic of religion. We are still friends & we forget most of the time that our religions are different.
So? This only proves you do not follow "the Path" set before you by your prophet.

Quote:But here we're speaking about it from a "religious" pov, not human.

If I became a friend with a christian on "faith basis", then I'm not a muslim anymore. It means that I'm going to believe in his faith & he shall do the same. Now this is forbidden.
Sounds like cherry picking to me. Your book Says: Qu'ran (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

"Those who believe Shall not take Jews and Christians for friends." Pretty cut and dry for (true Islamic believers™) I guess your telling me that you are the watered down version, or the "west friendly" version. the Sunni nor the Shia seem to have this issue though, they understand this passage, and have applied it in a very real way.

And as I pointed out it is not what you do in the name of your God it is what your radical brothers do that people judge. You Yourself model this example when you bring up the radical christians who marched in the crusades. You have judged the whole of Christianity by what a small percentage has done.
Now may I ask why should the WORLD be kept from making the same type of judgement you yourself have made against Christianity? It's Human nature, and none of us are above it. (Which answers your orginal question)

Quote:Remember that Jerusalem lived under Islamic rule for years & years, the ancient churches still stand, the christian population also still stands.

If we are dividing humanity like you say, why didn't we kill all the jews & christians ?
Muslims destroy churches all of the time what are you talking about?: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/11/tanzan...stors.html
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Worshi...by_Muslims
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kJn-ZP7QSA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
If you look at that list you will see the vast majority of churches built in the crusades were indeed destroyed. The ones that were left were kept they were the most holy according to the church at the time. So they were defiled to mock the Christian God/church.

Quote:why are many Muslims marrying christians & even jews ?
Show me a sheia or a sunni who has married a Christian or a Jew, and I will show you someone who is marked for death.

Quote:Ask yourself this..we're not so "evil" like you might think.
I never said you were evil. and so long as no one from your religion crashes something into my house (on purpose), I do not care. (that is why I do not generally spend time debating muslims about who is right.)

Quote:Even in atheist countries division exists. The soviet union is our first example.
Which is why I made the distinction between 'true muslims™' (Their words not mine) and the water down version (again their words not mine.) to them you guys are a plague or cancer when it comes to the 'True Faith.'

Quote:Excuse me. But you know nothing about Islam.

NOTHING.

do you know what the 6 pillars of believe are ?
I know that 'True Muslims™' Believe their to only be 5 pillars of faith, and that 'infidels' in the faith have created a 6th. So my question is was that a trick question, or are you considered to be an 'infidel' by a 'true muslim™?'

Quote:-Believing in fate is one of the 6 pillars.

Do you know what fate is ?

fate = nobody knows the future but god.

which means ; I don't know if I'm going to stay a Muslim.
I don't know if you're going to convert someday or not.
Big Grin
I also know that 'fate' is the infidel's pillar.

Quote:Which simply means in conclusion ; this verse :

"Say, I wasn't any different than any other prophet, and I don't know what's going to happen to me or you".

Mohammad is giving you an example about how to believe in fate Smile he simply doesn't know what's going to happen, nobody knows.

According to that, I cannot judge people, only god does.
I'm not bullshitting around. This is one of the pillars of faith ; without it you're not a muslim.
Actually you mean to say without the 6th pillar you are not a moderate muslim. Shea, and Sunni muslims take a very different view about the 6th pillar. (as I am sure you are well aware, but have chose to ignore or simply misrepersent what the vast majority believe, for the sake of trying to win an arguement.)
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RE: Why don't Christians pay Muslims the same respect ? - by Drich - February 6, 2013 at 1:21 pm

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