RE: If ignorance is bliss...
February 12, 2013 at 11:02 pm
(This post was last modified: February 12, 2013 at 11:23 pm by Creed of Heresy.)
(February 12, 2013 at 5:38 pm)TheLameMayWalk Wrote: Religion (and commandments) are what provides one's moral standards. Ignorance is bliss in a non-believers case because they do not know about religion or the commandments. But, if you are aware of them, you should use them for yourself, not to please God, but for yourself. And if you are able to follow them, you will eventually be rewarded.
Ignorance is bliss, but not many atheists can follow that because they are aware of it all. Unless I count their lack of belief as ignorant, which I won't go into, because it is just rude.
Mmm...kaaaay, so since you said Religion AND commandments, I am going to assume you mean the Abrahamic Religions, and their basis in the Ten Throat Clearings of Introduction to Yahweh, and not just any religion.
Which already paints you as a spewer of bullshit and ignorance yourself since you are clearly ignorant of the morality and laws devised by human civilizations long before yours ever saw the light of day...and the ones devised after your religion's advent in parts of the world that never actually encountered any of those commandments regardless. Not to mention the laws and customs and morals of those "dirty savages" in the Americas...wherein murder and rape amongst one's tribe was considered the most veil and heinous of things, laws were established between tribal confederacies in mutual respect of one anothers lands and customs, all without ever even hearing a breath about your mumbo-jumbo.
Do tell me more about how morals come exclusively from your religion, or any religion at all, for that matter!
If morality means to be good, you guys are sure up shit's creek on that account anyway, what with your inquisitions and murderous crusades and your ever-present refusal to get with the modern program on social progress. Seriously, you guys ever just gonna get that stick out of your ass in regards to homosexuality? Heheh, didja see what I did there? Stick in your ass? Homosexuality? Hoo I kill myself with my razor-sharp wit... No but seriously, do tell me what is objective morality, and do try to explain to me how it has any bearing on the world around us. And don't be offended when, after the conversation inevitably falls to the "because god said so," I dismiss the entire argument as "god is an unfounded claim and therefore so is the rest of your argument and therefore I casually dismiss everything you've just said because it's a castle built on pillars of sand."Hot damn, I disappear for a week, and my mojo returns. I'm back, baby.
(February 12, 2013 at 8:35 pm)Ryantology Wrote:(February 12, 2013 at 6:29 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Atheism is a negative world view. It takes a strong constitution to keep your head up given such inbuilt opposition.
That's funny, I thought it was the Christian idea that mankind is flawed, evil, and degenerate, and can never be good unless they ask for God's help (and actually receive it). I thought Christians can't wait for the world to end, so that they can sit up in Heaven and watch the non-believers get their just desserts.
I don't know how that is considered 'positive'. To me, Christianity sounds like a depressing, misanthropic death cult.
You know...I've always thought that way myself. Christians seem to think that Christianity is always this idea of positivity. And oh, sure, on the surface, it is! I'm not joking, on the surface, Christianity really IS a warm fuzzy feel-good religion full of kittens and rainbows.
It's when you scratch away that surface, though, that you see the bile and cancerous rot that it really is to the human condition.
Ooo, and this gives me a fantastic chance to play one of my most FAVORITE biblical games of all time; Who Can Spot the Contradiction in the Supposedly Infallible Bible?
Ezekiel 18:20: The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
Suddenly Psalms 51:5: Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.
But then, a wild Romans appeared!
Romans 5:12: Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—
3:23: For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
And remember, such a loving book it is, too, as Hosea 13:16 shows us:
Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword; their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.
Now THAT'S good ol' fashioned peaceful tolerance and love!
Oh and Genesis 3:16: To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.”
Yes. Needlessly inducing pain in ALL women because the first woman decided to eat an apple. God's so forgiving and kind, and truly none of the descendants ever suffer for the crimes of the mother. Blessed be his merciful name!
And in keeping with this theme of o thy merciful lordshipliness and not making the offspring suffer for the crimes of the parents, we have Hosea again, remarking on the punishments for daring to worship idols, with Hosea 9:12-16
Even if they rear children, I will bereave them of every one. Woe to them when I turn away from them! I have seen Ephraim, like Tyre, planted in a pleasant place. But Ephraim will bring out their children to the slayer. Give them, O LORD--what will you give them? Give them wombs that miscarry and breasts that are dry. Because of all their wickedness in Gilgal, I hated them there. Because of their sinful deeds, I will drive them out of my house. I will no longer love them; all their leaders are rebellious. Ephraim is blighted, their root is withered, they yield no fruit. Even if they bear children, I will slay their cherished offspring.
Wombs that miscarry. Just remember that the next time some christian dipshit starts talking about abortion being murder. God intentionally caused abortion through miscarriage and for those that survived the infants died of starvation, and for those that survived, he just killed them outright. BUT NONE SUFFER THE SINS OF THE FATHER!
I'd go on but my sides are really starting to hurt.
