Israel

[The Grand Nudger]

I admit that I get sensitive when writing these threads : ) Maybe my behavior would explain to you what arabs go through everyday.

The issue of palestine took place in front of the whole world. Nobody talked or even raised a finger to help us. From an invasion to invasion, the advent of israel was the expolosive part..

we got out of that with one conclusion : the west doesn't give a fuck about us. It's then, when people like me started to appear, who have many contradicted opinions about the west.

So excuse me, but I went through a lot. and my people went through a lot.

I'm human after all. I can hide behind coolism for sometime, but in topics like this, my true nature appears ; nothing more than a child asking for some attention.. human after all. I just wait for that one comment from a westerner who might tell me : Yes ; jews treated you really bad.

That's all I want to hear.

back to your post.

Atlass...everyone's people went through alot, and that's only the myopic view.....we're all the same people in the first damned place.

Just to accept the harsh reality, right ? no I don't agree with them. The land goes back to how it was ; arab & muslim. sorry. this was an invasion as I stated, and we -arabs- don't accept more conflicts & division in our already small countries.

An invasion, which, apparently, one side lost. This is the reality of nations. It would be much more tenable (to me) to argue that the land should go to the way that the people who currently occupy it wish for it to be. Some past slight isn't going to make a case for Palestine.

The children who got kicked out of their land, Rythem..the children buddy, the massacres, what happens now !

read the news..

None....of...which...excuses....either side...for any misdeed they commit or plan to commit in retaliation thereof.

Point out where I said that I don't agree with immigration.

The crux of this entire thread has been that jews are immigrants and invaders as though this somehow weighs in on whether or not Israel has a claim to some piece of territory.

Because I thought your empathy goes with Israel ; I already apologized about that : )

It does, Isrealis and Palestinians.

In the posts, not the main topic. I did what I promised to do ; no religious or personal thoughts, all sources & evidence.

on the posts, of course I'm biased, and I think everybody knows that since I decided to write this topic.

But is the topic itself biased for my opinion ? no..it's actual history which my opinion was actually built on.

I guess I'll keep hammering this until it sticks - even if you built a mountain of well supported statements, invoking tq renders the lot useless for constructing a compelling case.

being human doesn't excuse you for being cruel, sorry.

Of course not, but my being cruel wouldn't excuse others for being cruel either......TQ

And Rythm, you wrote this on a previous post

Technically, Palestine "belongs" to Israel, not "teh jews". So sayeth the the F-series air superiority fighters.

so you can understand why I thought you're emphasizing with "teh jews", right ?

Meh, I can understand that you have a narrative about the west and westerners and jews that would likely lead you to that conclusion, sure. You could have just asked, of course. Whether or not air superiority is leveraged to maintain a claim of territory has very little to say about whether or not I agree with the claim to territory.

Israel isn't an Islamic state. It was built on Jewish faith, and millions of jews are supporting it everywhere.. to me, they are "the jews".

Not an islamic state? So what? That's classic us and them. It's ridiculous, and case in point - is perpetuating the scenario that you're talking about. Of course it doesn't help that the only resolution you seem to be able to conceive of is total victory for "us" and utter defeat for "them".

Label, my friend. Just a label. It's a jewish thought, in jewish religion, with jewish support. Nah, this ain't just israel.

Bring me something in Islam's history -which is part of the religion & which majority has supported- and believe me I won't deny it or deny that Islam caused it..

The occupation of Constantinople is an example. as simple as that..

See why removing religion is crucial to solving a political problem? How do you propose to solve a political problem if you can't even begin to work past religion? Jewish this, muslim that, it's all nonsense - and doesn't belong in a discussion about a nation or it's policies and future when the stakes and outcomes are literally life and death - feast and famine. I don't consult Grimms Fairy Tales before going to war - and it doesn't have any weight in the decision-. Personally, I feel that anyone who does so or cannot help but to invoke the same does not need to be and does not deserve to be a part of that conversation. Down this road lay only tears.

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I'm clearly not getting any traction here, I'm not sure why, but lets approach this from a different angle.

Are you prepared to call for the return of all lands invaded, occupied by, or massively immigrated into, by islamic people to their native inhabitants?

Does the murder of anyone or group of people in the past or present by islamic people excuse those people (or anyone else) for killing muslims in the past or present?