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What is GOOD?
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RE: What is GOOD?
(February 24, 2013 at 10:02 pm)genkaus Wrote: Great. Another thread on morality.

So, when a context is not specified, it can be seen that it is a usually a moral one. When you say that a person is good or an action is good, you are talking about how closely it complies with a moral code. Given this, there cannot be something like The Good or Good or Ultimate Good because even if there is an absolute moral code, the word simply signifies compliance with it.

Yes it was good in the sense of our decisions and actions that I wanted to consider.

(February 24, 2013 at 10:02 pm)genkaus Wrote: Gleaning what little I can from the statement about Kant, I'd assume that his moral code is duty-based. That there are some actions one is obligated to do or not do (whatever the justifications he provided) in a certain way and when done according to those principles, they are considered good.

Similarly, quite a few people here seem to follow empathy based moral code. Thus they'd judge the actions that are in line with that to be good. However, as many here seem to realize, such a moral code would not be completely rational or logical. Therefore, there are bound be contradictions within it which may judge certain actions as good and bad at the same time. Further, given that empathy is a tool to promote societal health more than individual health (and, in some cases, at cost of it), it would also be unhealthy.

I remember being flummoxed to read that Kant would consider the action of someone who visited his sick aunt in hospital out of love or respect for that aunt in particular to have no moral worth, or at least of lesser moral worth than the person who goes recognizing that it is moral obligation. Someone who went in spite of hating that aunt would probably get extra points from Kant. Sympathy is for Kant is a separate motivation than morality, and a good act is done because it is the right thing to do. (Yuck.)

(February 24, 2013 at 10:02 pm)genkaus Wrote: Getting back to "the good" - I'd say that there are certain actions and principles that are common to almost all the moral codes. Principles such as telling the truth, paying what is owed, charity, kindness etc. and actions associated with it are usually considered as in line with one's moral code no matter which religion/society/philosophy one may subscribe to. This is why, I think, the idea of "doing good" or "being good" became significant. Since all moral codes agreed on those things, it was not necessary to specify the context every time the judgment was made.

I'd say that it isn't a moral code we need but a civil and criminal code. There is also a need for a starter set of morals to guide youth.

But my point is that any conception of the good which relegates a person to being a rule follower is badly conceived. In the end, one would hope that a person would cultivate ones sense of empathy to a degree that one would extend good manners to others out of a recognition of their inward depth and potential. To my way of thinking the highest good would transcend the category by internalizing it unselfconsciously. Ultimately rule following must fall away or else our attempts at moral education will have been side tracked.
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What is GOOD? - by Whateverist - February 24, 2013 at 1:29 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by The Grand Nudger - February 24, 2013 at 1:45 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by Whateverist - February 24, 2013 at 1:54 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by LastPoet - February 24, 2013 at 4:00 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by Kayenneh - February 24, 2013 at 3:38 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by EGross - February 24, 2013 at 3:41 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by jstrodel - March 3, 2013 at 11:45 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by Kayenneh - February 24, 2013 at 3:49 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by EGross - February 24, 2013 at 3:55 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by Something completely different - February 24, 2013 at 3:53 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by Psykhronic - February 24, 2013 at 3:54 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by Kayenneh - February 24, 2013 at 3:54 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by festive1 - February 24, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by genkaus - February 24, 2013 at 10:02 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by Whateverist - February 24, 2013 at 11:42 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by genkaus - February 25, 2013 at 12:20 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by Whateverist - February 25, 2013 at 7:56 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by genkaus - February 26, 2013 at 3:54 am
RE: What is GOOD? - by Whateverist - February 26, 2013 at 11:01 am
RE: What is GOOD? - by genkaus - February 26, 2013 at 1:09 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by Whateverist - February 26, 2013 at 8:03 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by Neo-Scholastic - February 26, 2013 at 8:56 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by Whateverist - February 26, 2013 at 9:21 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by genkaus - February 27, 2013 at 9:42 am
RE: What is GOOD? - by Whateverist - February 27, 2013 at 12:07 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by genkaus - February 27, 2013 at 4:16 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by fr0d0 - February 24, 2013 at 11:57 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by Whateverist - February 25, 2013 at 11:05 am
RE: What is GOOD? - by Neo-Scholastic - February 25, 2013 at 11:34 am
RE: What is GOOD? - by cratehorus - February 25, 2013 at 12:57 am
RE: What is GOOD? - by The Grand Nudger - February 25, 2013 at 1:40 am
RE: What is GOOD? - by Whateverist - February 25, 2013 at 1:42 am
RE: What is GOOD? - by Gilgamesh - February 25, 2013 at 2:31 am
RE: What is GOOD? - by Neo-Scholastic - February 25, 2013 at 11:24 am
RE: What is GOOD? - by genkaus - February 25, 2013 at 12:46 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by The Grand Nudger - February 25, 2013 at 11:28 am
RE: What is GOOD? - by The Grand Nudger - February 25, 2013 at 12:25 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by Minimalist - February 25, 2013 at 8:30 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by Whateverist - February 25, 2013 at 9:29 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by downbeatplumb - February 26, 2013 at 10:55 am
RE: What is GOOD? - by genkaus - February 26, 2013 at 11:56 am
RE: What is GOOD? - by downbeatplumb - February 27, 2013 at 2:21 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by Whateverist - February 27, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by My imaginary friend is GOD - February 27, 2013 at 6:30 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by Severan - February 27, 2013 at 11:14 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by Whateverist - February 28, 2013 at 1:45 am
RE: What is GOOD? - by genkaus - February 28, 2013 at 1:51 am
RE: What is GOOD? - by KichigaiNeko - February 28, 2013 at 6:00 am
RE: What is GOOD? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 4, 2013 at 7:54 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by Whateverist - March 4, 2013 at 8:46 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by genkaus - March 5, 2013 at 8:27 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 6, 2013 at 6:09 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by genkaus - March 6, 2013 at 6:52 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 6, 2013 at 6:55 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by genkaus - March 6, 2013 at 7:31 pm
RE: What is GOOD? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 6, 2013 at 9:18 pm



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