RE: Any questions on Islam?
March 1, 2013 at 7:07 am
(This post was last modified: March 1, 2013 at 7:11 am by paulpablo.)
God wouldn't have to reveal the quran to every single person via an angel as proof of it being from god, that is one way of doing it though.
From debating with muslims I've been given various attempts of proof that the quran was revealed by god that don't add up.
Not all muslims come up with the same arguments and some don't make any arguments but my point is even if all these things were true it wouldn't make the quran a divine piece of writing.
Some examples I'll give of what I would accept as proof.
If god had revealed the quran independently to even just one other group of people, say for example if we found a tribe who prayed the same, ate the same and did the same rituals as muslims.
If god had given a definite sign, an indestructible book. A carving on the moon. An indestructible statue of Muhammad on each continent of the earth.
If once a year god had an angel fly over the earth and telepathically tell the world to keep believing in islam.
Now when I've mentioned this in muslim forums in the past I've received comments like "Paul has unrealistic expectations as proof".
But in what way are these things unrealistic? around 2000 or 3000 years ago god was supposedly helping out in wars, turning sticks into snakes, making snakes that talk, parting the seas, making floods that reached the height of mountains, burning bushes, killing Egyptians, helping Muhammad fly on a horse and split the moon into two parts, and telepathically talking to him. sending prophet after prophet from Adam to Muhammad.
2000 years ago god was like an over excited magician, but now we have better scientific knowledge and more global communication he's become shy all of a sudden.
From debating with muslims I've been given various attempts of proof that the quran was revealed by god that don't add up.
Quote:The quran is beautiful. - I've read the quran it wasn't beautiful to me, beauty is subjective anyway.
The scientific miracles within. - The majority of them i can think of have been debunked so severely it makes them laughable.
People naturally feel guilty when they commit crimes against god proving god has placed this within us. - Some people love murdering and committing crimes against god.
Not all muslims come up with the same arguments and some don't make any arguments but my point is even if all these things were true it wouldn't make the quran a divine piece of writing.
Some examples I'll give of what I would accept as proof.
If god had revealed the quran independently to even just one other group of people, say for example if we found a tribe who prayed the same, ate the same and did the same rituals as muslims.
If god had given a definite sign, an indestructible book. A carving on the moon. An indestructible statue of Muhammad on each continent of the earth.
If once a year god had an angel fly over the earth and telepathically tell the world to keep believing in islam.
Now when I've mentioned this in muslim forums in the past I've received comments like "Paul has unrealistic expectations as proof".
But in what way are these things unrealistic? around 2000 or 3000 years ago god was supposedly helping out in wars, turning sticks into snakes, making snakes that talk, parting the seas, making floods that reached the height of mountains, burning bushes, killing Egyptians, helping Muhammad fly on a horse and split the moon into two parts, and telepathically talking to him. sending prophet after prophet from Adam to Muhammad.
2000 years ago god was like an over excited magician, but now we have better scientific knowledge and more global communication he's become shy all of a sudden.
Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them.
Impersonation is treason.
