(March 2, 2013 at 3:18 am)Moros Synackaon Wrote:(March 2, 2013 at 2:10 am)Cinjin Wrote: No, I notice no such thing. You created a false comparison. Pedophilia is a 28 year old having sex with a 13 year old. That is not an exaggeration or even an extreme rarity in the crime of pedophilia. Interracial dating on the other hand, more often than not has nothing to do with a gun toting, coke distributing gang banger. I see the point you were trying to make but the way you went about it is a touch dishonest.
It is not a false comparison. The topics are intentionally not related.
The tactic used are related.
Nope. You tried to make a comparison between these two statements. Sorry, I don't think you can sell anyone on that.
Pedophilia = 13 year old girl having sex with a 28 year old
Interracial Dating ≠ sex with a Gun toting Gang banger.
Deny it all you want. In order for your comparison to work, my definition of pedophilia would have to be an extreme rarity inside of that topic.
Quote:You and the Example both used an extreme to pull an appeal to emotion.I don't approve of teens getting busted for sex with teens, but that doesn't mean that I'm willing to entertain the idea of legalizing pedophilia.
However, given that the universe isn't black and white (how disappointing), we must consider that there is always a gradiation.
And that many laws meant to catch your extreme often are used harm young adults and teenagers.
In other words, there is a little problem with injustice and the ideological demands of John Q. Public.
Being pedantic, I can't help but notice you're using identical tactics to the ones used to pass increasingly draconian laws to assuage the fear that pedophiles are everywhere.
(It is humorous to note that tightening rules past a certain point does little in apprehending criminals. Perhaps investing resources in mental health and moving police focus closer to investigating domestic and sexual abuse?)
Also regarding appeal to emotion ... I'll get to that.
(March 2, 2013 at 2:10 am)Cinjin Wrote: You honestly think that I'm going to consider the legalization of pedophilia simply because a handful of Age of Consent cases can be googled?
Quote:Does making any changes to existing law, even if it lessens harm to young adults and teenagers who are only two years older than their partner, count as "legalizing pedophilic relationship"?
No.
Don't be fucking ridiculous.
Uhhh, hey just so you know, the OP, which is what I'M talking about, asks if pedophilia should be legal?
So I don't know exactly what you're arguing here, but I know for sure that I'm talking ONLY about adults having sex with pre-teens. Lets clarify even more for you: Not minors, children. Sex with CHILDREN.
(March 2, 2013 at 2:10 am)Cinjin Wrote: Talk about using the opposite end of the extreme to justify a point.
Syn Wrote:And talk about projecting imaginary beliefs onto other people instead of judging them solely on what they write.
I didn't project anything onto you. Were you called out? Did I name you?
Since you're so concerned about my personal projections - do clarify where you stand. Do you support pedophilia? Because if you do than my post is validated and you don't have a leg to stand on regarding my "projections."
Syn Wrote:(March 2, 2013 at 2:10 am)Cinjin Wrote: I'm talking about pedophilia: an adult having sex with a child. I am NOT talking about a 17 year old having sex with a 15 year old, and if that's what this thread is about than the fucking Title of the thread should be changed to something like: Do you think teenagers should be allowed to have sex with teenagers.
The problems come in the definition of what is a child.
A 15 year old is considered a child.
"Child", as a term, encompasses 1-19 years of age.
Definitions.
You sound like a fucking apologist trying to convince me that god sent Elisha the two bears to kill 42 little children who weren't really children. "Definitions."
For the last damn time - I'm talking about children. I don't know anyone who considers a 17 year old a child, but if you do and thats what you're referencing to debate me than this is pointless.
Syn Wrote:(March 2, 2013 at 2:10 am)Cinjin Wrote: If being an extremist means that I think a 14 year old girl cannot legally be coerced by a 25 year old man to have sex - than sign me up!
I addressed the OP, not some bull shit about whether or not teenagers should be allowed to have sex with eachother.
Never made any statement about such. Again, project much?
You implied that I was an extremist: "The problem with this entire problem is extremists."
Syn Wrote:(March 2, 2013 at 2:10 am)Cinjin Wrote: If there are those who hold me in disdain for broadcasting loudly against full grown adults having sex with children. Than so be it. I only mentioned it because there are those who are too timid to admit that they too find the question appalling.
Because you are So Brave in trumpeting the obvious, you see anyone who objects to you being a loud jackass as held in disdain?
I simply found that lousy arguments that depended on appeals to emotion to be doing a disservice to their respective sides.
But then again, it is easier to be a sea gull and shit on someone's hood than pound your opponent with facts.
You've got your own appeal to emotion now -- not to mention a name call jab and a pot & kettle reference all rolled into one.
One, it's not trumpeting the obvious if there are many in opposition to it, and two, disparaging me and my arguments does not make them any less legitimate, even if you suggest that they are compared to bird shit.




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