RE: A Small Census
March 9, 2013 at 3:04 am
(This post was last modified: March 9, 2013 at 3:16 am by jstrodel.)
(March 9, 2013 at 2:36 am)Darkstar Wrote: I bet around 40% of the atheists in America are political radicals.
You know, 63% of statistics are made up on the fly.
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Do you know who Christopher Hitchens, Stephen J Gould, Bertrand Russell, Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky, etc, etc, etc, are? Do you know what percentage of the atheists in universities are very far to the left? It is very, very high. It is one stream of thought.
Do you really think I am making up the concept of "the left"? It is not a
made up statistic.
I think there is a concept that you should look up. It is called "the war of ideas".
Quote:As for the rest it's... it's not really worth responding to, now is it? Mostly because you've not provided anything to show that being left wing is remotely bad, you've just assumed it because it goes against your position.
I am a former leftist. I grew up leftist. My mom believed that George Bush deserved to be executed for the Iraq War. I grew up with all that stuff. I understand there is some truth to it, but the radicalism is scary. I feel like a lot of leftists are ready to start a civil war.
This is what I believe: The idea that atheists with no way really to deal with moral skepticism are supposed to use redistribution of wealth to fight a culture war in which they take the public, which is 80% Christian and move the money into wealthy universities to indoctrinate people into atheism and teach them that the way to be a moral person is that they need to reject religion and need to put all of their faith in expanding government programs that directly benefit the atheists.
I understand there are legitimate liberal/left wing concerns. But why should leftists have all the political power? Why should they be able to take money from people and use the money to advance a secular state that 80% of America disagrees with?
Why should public money pay for atheism? The liberals in education fight so vigorously to maintain their choke hold on the minds of the American public, knowing that as long as they control peoples minds they will win elections. They use the public education system to advance atheism, to advance institutionalized censorship of any criticism of homosexuality (even though 80% of America is Christian), they use academia to teach Marxism.
I had a friend of mine growing up who is now in a PhD program. He is openly a Communist (supports Lenin) in a fairly good university. The left will censor Christians in the university who want to criticize homosexuality, but they will allow people who are openly Communist and accept the Soviet Union (not even Marxist, openly Communist).
They are fighting a culture war, they want to increase taxes, they want more power, they want control of America so they can push forward their socialistic agenda, against peoples wills. They know that religion stands in their way, and has stood in the way of left wing goals since the 19th century.
I do not think every aspect of the liberal/leftist view of life is wrong, a lot of it is found in Christianity, but a lot of it is a battle of who is in control and whether people must accept Christian teachings to be accepted in the society they live in. Liberals/leftists are trying to erase social distinctions between the righteous and the wicked and it is scary. The culture of liberalism does not distinguish between good and evil. Sometimes it does not distinguish between good and bad.
I could go on and on and on, if you want more reasons why the left is a dangerous force, not completely wrong about everything, but nonetheless, a dangerous force. I do know some Christians who are socialists, I would not say they are bad people, there have been a fair number through history. But I think if you look at the movement as a whole, it is a dangerous movement.