(March 9, 2013 at 3:04 am)jstrodel Wrote: I am a former leftist. I grew up leftist. My mom believed that George Bush deserved to be executed for the Iraq War. I grew up with all that stuff. I understand there is some truth to it, but the radicalism is scary. I feel like a lot of leftists are ready to start a civil war.
Yes, well I feel like the far right wing nutcases are itching to enshrine their religious beliefs in legislation, a most fundamental violation of the constitution.
Quote:This is what I believe: The idea that atheists with no way really to deal with moral skepticism are supposed to use redistribution of wealth to fight a culture war in which they take the public, which is 80% Christian and move the money into wealthy universities to indoctrinate people into atheism and teach them that the way to be a moral person is that they need to reject religion and need to put all of their faith in expanding government programs that directly benefit the atheists.
And your unsubstantiated belief smells like horseshit.
Quote:I understand there are legitimate liberal/left wing concerns. But why should leftists have all the political power? Why should they be able to take money from people and use the money to advance a secular state that 80% of America disagrees with?
Are you seriously suggesting that ALL American Christians are against secularism the same way you are? You realize there is a lot of support for secularism among the religious moderates, right? Secularism is for the benefit of everybody who doesn't want the governments and churches forcing a very specific religious doctrine upon the them, which includes ANYONE that isn't a fanatic fundamentalist. The moderate/mainline Christians don't want Christian legislation anymore than atheists do, in fact they wish just as much as I do that people like you would shut up and stop shoving your noses up the personal lives of others. The major push against secularism is from evangelicals who think they have a god-given right to forcefully shove THEIR specific formula of Christianity down everybody's throat. Around 25% of the total American population is identified as evangelical, not even half the percentage of that dishonest, whopping 80%.
Quote:Why should public money pay for atheism? The liberals in education fight so vigorously to maintain their choke hold on the minds of the American public, knowing that as long as they control peoples minds they will win elections. They use the public education system to advance atheism, to advance institutionalized censorship of any criticism of homosexuality (even though 80% of America is Christian), they use academia to teach Marxism.
The conservatives in public and private schools fight ferociously to indoctrinate masses of children to be subservient to both the US government and an invisible sky-daddy, while also trying to get an alternative theory of evolution taught as being "science." See how easy it is to throw around unsubstantiated bullshit (although that actually had some truth to it)?
Quote:I had a friend of mine growing up who is now in a PhD program. He is openly a Communist (supports Lenin) in a fairly good university. The left will censor Christians in the university who want to criticize homosexuality, but they will allow people who are openly Communist and accept the Soviet Union (not even Marxist, openly Communist).
Oh the humanity, communism!
Quote:They are fighting a culture war, they want to increase taxes, they want more power, they want control of America so they can push forward their socialistic agenda, against peoples wills. They know that religion stands in their way, and has stood in the way of left wing goals since the 19th century.
No, people are becoming more lenient in their social attitudes towards topics that have been considered taboo for centuries, the social advancement is progressing a direction that will leave fundamentalist religion in the dust, and therefore, fundies are becoming a movement defined as reactionary. The extremely religious are the ones who are having to surmount the obstacles of current social change, not the liberals. You are right though, you do stand in our way, and by our I mean anybody with half a brain and an open mind, religious or not.
Quote:I do not think every aspect of the liberal/leftist view of life is wrong, a lot of it is found in Christianity, but a lot of it is a battle of who is in control and whether people must accept Christian teachings to be accepted in the society they live in. Liberals/leftists are trying to erase social distinctions between the righteous and the wicked and it is scary. The culture of liberalism does not distinguish between good and evil. Sometimes it does not distinguish between good and bad.
More horseshit you are spoon-feeding yourself to fuel your delusions.
Quote:I could go on and on and on, if you want more reasons why the left is a dangerous force, not completely wrong about everything, but nonetheless, a dangerous force. I do know some Christians who are socialists, I would not say they are bad people, there have been a fair number through history. But I think if you look at the movement as a whole, it is a dangerous movement.
On the contrary, you have highlighted for everyone the dangers associated with ignorance, intolerance, groupthink, and delusions, the very things that the far right are currently banking on. You are the worst tasting toaster strudel I ever had the misfortune of biting into.
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