RE: Thanks for creating a forum with real debate!
March 12, 2013 at 5:11 pm
(This post was last modified: March 12, 2013 at 5:18 pm by jstrodel.)
(March 12, 2013 at 2:49 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Is this an example of a reasoned argument that you're presenting?
Naked assertion.
(March 12, 2013 at 2:41 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Atheism as a default position is really more of an argument from authority.
Naked assertion.
(March 12, 2013 at 2:41 pm)jstrodel Wrote: You need to know a great deal about the world to believe that there is nothing responsible for the creation of the world.
Oh, here's another one.
Shall we do this with all of your posts, or are you ready to acknowledge that the above are merely your opinion, and not rational arguments?
Actually, you missed the argument that I made, so I will put it in another form. You are over simplifying, reading my words literalistically, and ignoring other posts which establish my arguments and responding with one sentence answers.
1. K = J T B ( Knowledge = justified true belief ) - an accepted model of epistemology
2. Negative claims that something are not so are knowledge claims (to know that something is not, is not epistemologically different from knowing what is) - (self evident)
3. Negative knowledge claims are based on Knowledge equals justified true belief or something similar (Knowledge is defined as justified true belief) - N = negative truth claims - if N = K then N = KTB
4. Atheist knowledge claims are negative knowledge claims (self evident)
5. N = KTB so atheist negative knowledge claims require justified truth belief
I would figure this all so far would be completely self evident.
(March 12, 2013 at 2:41 pm)jstrodel Wrote: In order to defend your default position, you need to rely on some sort of external ideology.
6. K=JTB requires an external ideology for its sense of justification, of truth, and nature of belief, as well as knowledge, and in the context of modernity, ideologies and science to support all the requisite labs, books, social freedom, everything that is required for K=JTB to exist in (self evident)
7. N=K=JTB and atheism is is N, so to know atheism is true you must have 6.
I would have thought that is all self evident (whatever you think of K = JTB) ...
The only default position that people can have is ignorance, does not follow the form of K = JTB, is not knowledge. How is this an argument from authority? Because the certainty of justification is not based on rational considerations, such as knowledge = justified true belief or something similar, but it is based on invoking the authority of atheism as it has been transmitted from some other source or as it exists in the mind from non-rational sources. In this sense it is similar to religious belief, as good as the authority that it relies on.
