(March 16, 2013 at 8:11 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:(March 13, 2013 at 10:19 am)ManMachine Wrote: Proof is not a concrete concept. It's fairly pointless trying to make it one.It can
Sorry, that doesn't make sense. I don't understand what your saying.
(March 16, 2013 at 8:11 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:(March 13, 2013 at 10:19 am)ManMachine Wrote: My comment about bad news is a reference to Douglas Adams. It's a little flippant, ignore it.Axioms are not facts, they are assumptions as you said, then the proof itself should show the conclusion using these axioms.
The problem with axioms is they are fundamentally assumptive. There is nothing wrong with this but neither should we forget it. Axiomatic reasoning can lead us badly astray if we loose sight of the original assumptions (see my point above).
For example I'll say that God=G
the the proof will show that G equals or not equal to ZERO
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OK, if we say God = G
The proof may well show it is or is not equal to ZERO but this still leads us back to the assumption. This says nothing about either G or ZERO only our methodology.
MM
"The greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions" - Leonardo da Vinci
"I think I use the term “radical” rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as “atheist,” some people will say, “Don’t you mean ‘agnostic’?” I have to reply that I really do mean atheist, I really do not believe that there is a god; in fact, I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one ... etc., etc. It’s easier to say that I am a radical atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal, and that it’s an opinion I hold seriously." - Douglas Adams (and I echo the sentiment)
"I think I use the term “radical” rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as “atheist,” some people will say, “Don’t you mean ‘agnostic’?” I have to reply that I really do mean atheist, I really do not believe that there is a god; in fact, I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one ... etc., etc. It’s easier to say that I am a radical atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal, and that it’s an opinion I hold seriously." - Douglas Adams (and I echo the sentiment)
