RE: Proving God Existence
March 18, 2013 at 3:33 pm
(This post was last modified: March 18, 2013 at 3:43 pm by Muslim Scholar.)
(March 18, 2013 at 12:01 pm)ManMachine Wrote: I think it's worth pointing out you use the word 'assuming' a number of times in your logic formulas.Assumptions as Axioms are not poor reasoning
An assumption that can be proved other ways doesn't affect the proof itself
For example assuming G, with the probability that it can be 0 or something
is not adding or taking anything from the proof
To refute the proof you need to show the one of the premises is false
or one step doesn't lead to the next
I actually tried to refute it myself, it is very difficult or impossible
(March 18, 2013 at 7:56 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: What do you mean with "dynamic"?I'm not following the full scientific explanation of dynamic
I mean it is only changing, its state now is not the same as after 1 second
Quote:"Let`s asume that time is infinite" well, we dont need to assume that, we know that time is not infinite and that it had a beginning and that it has it`s border at the limits of the expanding universe.Thanks, it means that this part is already proved for you!
Quote:YesQuote:4. Defining two sets of the Universe states in the pastWow, you know, the states of the universe in the past are calculated via massive laboretories as for example in Cern, and you have the temerity to assume that simply through calculating with false premises you can actualy achieve something!
Quote:I agree this part (Part III) needs more discussionQuote:Trying to figure some necessary/definitive attributes for G
1. G is the creator/initiator of the Universe
2. G is unique
3. G has actions (p)
4. G is outside time, G must be one unit as if there are more than one entity time can be related to each other, but as time did not exist, then G is one UN-separated self-dependent unit
(The Eternal, The one, The self sufficient)
5. G is outside and separate from the Universe
6. G has a will; as if he didn’t then creating/starting the universe must be initiated from an external source which contradicts with the (proved) non-existence of time.
7. As G is unique and not similar to matter in the universe, he doesn’t have an image (an image is a reflection of light from objects; objects are constructed from molecules and atoms)
Any religion that claims an image for God is a false religion by default
Not a single one of these conclusions is the result of the "calculation". You or whomever the writer of this declaration of stupidity, simply pulled these attributes out of his or her own ass.
it is not based on calculations but rather logical explanation
if you cannot figure it by yourself, then I think I should explain it more.
Point which one you don't agree with?
(March 18, 2013 at 11:39 am)Minimalist Wrote:I already proved itQuote:Assuming that Existence E=U+G
Now all you need is some actual evidence for the "g" (which you do not have.)
If you agree with Part I
then the universe either existed as a static object or did not exist at all
As static is the opposite to dynamic
something must change its state to be dynamic and to create time as well
This is God, if you don't agree with the name, just name it G