RE: Proving God Existence
March 24, 2013 at 2:11 am
(This post was last modified: March 24, 2013 at 2:29 am by Muslim Scholar.)
(March 20, 2013 at 7:06 am)Esquilax Wrote:Defining symbols is not facts, it is just mapping the possibilities into math to apply logic on it.(March 20, 2013 at 7:00 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: You don't understand the concept of mapping, these are Axioms
I can define any term I want then use it in my proof
Turnabout is fair play. If you think you can define things however you want, then so can we. This gets us nowhere; how about you just go with what things actually mean and build from there, rather than insisting that everyone agree with you before they begin arguing?
Quote:No, you can't. That would be patently ridiculous. As would deciding that G should actually be pronounced like L, and demanding that everyone use this new pronunciation. Do you see?G, L there is no difference
I think that you need to read a bit about mathematical and statistical models.
(March 20, 2013 at 7:58 am)ManMachine Wrote: You are still using 'time' to describe your proof. Your statement above is fallacious.If you like we can remove the word time
Just think about events (something changed)
the number of events must be finite......
Quote:While I accept you may find the Physics behind this hard to comprehend it is theoretically possible and more importantly the theory fits with current M-Theory.It is not about Physics it is about logic
If something did not exist or was static
Then it cannot change by itself
Something else (external) must change it
If somebody is not using logic he is hallucinating
(March 20, 2013 at 9:58 am)Rhythm Wrote: I'm not sure I understand, is there some problem with being both a creature and a god? Why?As I said, the word Son can mean only 2 things for us
after the Father
Like the father (Not a creature is a very main issue here)
The word God can mean few things as well
One of those is not being a creature
If we are to use the bible terms, then it is a paradox as it is trying to convince us with something contradictional
Or it is using a wrong term to describe Jesus
There is no other options.
I challenge you to define both the terms Son & God with no contradictions.
(March 20, 2013 at 12:23 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:This is impossible!(March 20, 2013 at 4:31 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: It is very obvious, Mutually exclusive events/adjectives cannot exist simultaneously, a static object will remain static forever till something change it.
That is what we thought we know of things before. It seems right now the current state of the universe is energy. Either it can be in a form of mass or energy, but it's not static. When it's mass, there is attraction and potential energy.
In this sense, the universe at time zero (whether God created it then or not), could be such that it was ready to change at the first moment after time zero.
The universe is either changing all the time or static
It cannot be static then start to change by itself
(hawkings talked about that and said, what will make the Universe start? how it will decide by it self to start?)
The involvement of an external action is a must.
Even according to your words, the Universe is ready to change (means static) then when G created Time it started to change
All interpretations lead to the same conclusion.