RE: The Bible-Boooooring
March 28, 2013 at 3:02 am
(This post was last modified: March 28, 2013 at 3:03 am by jstrodel.)
2 is false and the argument fails.
2. It is not true that supernatural experiences have never been confirmed to exist. It may be true that they have not been confirmed by you to exist. Study the Welsh revival, John G Lake, Heidi Baker, Smith Wigglesworth, George Mueller, the Catholic mystics, etc. There are plenty of experiences that have been confirmed to exist. Whether they can be proved in a particle accelerator lab, that I don't know.
2. All evidence indicates that they are always fabrications or deliberately designed to be impossible to disprove (this is obviously way too strong, and you could not possibly produce evidence that miraculous occurance was all false)
How much time have you spent in your entire life studying supernatural experiences? I lived in a mystical community where I used to pray for about 30 hours a week. I lived in a community of people where everyone was experiencing miracles. There were hundreds of people, everyone was seeking God together. I can promise you it was not insanity, because everyone there was experiencing the same thing.
I can see your mean spirited, proud attitude accuse me to my face of things I have seen directly, but you do not receive my testimony. An honest person would accept a weaker form of 2, saying perhaps that "It is not possible to prove that miracles exist from the methods of science that I use" and infer 3 "It is likely the person is insane, ignorant, or lying".
Notice that you did not even include the three possible options, you rushed to smear me with psychiatric labels to gloss over any chance of having to open your mind to a real debate on the supernatural. You would prefer to live in your materialistic world of prejudice and not consider anything you think is below you.
Well, read the books that I posted. Prove me wrong. Look online. If you want everything proven to the scientific methods you accept, you demand that the entire world be your servant. Why not look at things in their own light?
2. It is not true that supernatural experiences have never been confirmed to exist. It may be true that they have not been confirmed by you to exist. Study the Welsh revival, John G Lake, Heidi Baker, Smith Wigglesworth, George Mueller, the Catholic mystics, etc. There are plenty of experiences that have been confirmed to exist. Whether they can be proved in a particle accelerator lab, that I don't know.
2. All evidence indicates that they are always fabrications or deliberately designed to be impossible to disprove (this is obviously way too strong, and you could not possibly produce evidence that miraculous occurance was all false)
How much time have you spent in your entire life studying supernatural experiences? I lived in a mystical community where I used to pray for about 30 hours a week. I lived in a community of people where everyone was experiencing miracles. There were hundreds of people, everyone was seeking God together. I can promise you it was not insanity, because everyone there was experiencing the same thing.
I can see your mean spirited, proud attitude accuse me to my face of things I have seen directly, but you do not receive my testimony. An honest person would accept a weaker form of 2, saying perhaps that "It is not possible to prove that miracles exist from the methods of science that I use" and infer 3 "It is likely the person is insane, ignorant, or lying".
Notice that you did not even include the three possible options, you rushed to smear me with psychiatric labels to gloss over any chance of having to open your mind to a real debate on the supernatural. You would prefer to live in your materialistic world of prejudice and not consider anything you think is below you.
Well, read the books that I posted. Prove me wrong. Look online. If you want everything proven to the scientific methods you accept, you demand that the entire world be your servant. Why not look at things in their own light?
