(November 20, 2009 at 2:13 pm)Darwinian Wrote: Maybe you're right, maybe I should have read the whole thing and maybe I will. But you see, this is the problem with starting off with what you think is a fact and then trying to get the evidence to fit it. In this case, either the fact is wrong or the evidence. This of course can never make any sense as to arrive at a fact you must first have the evidence and if the evidence contradicts your fact then you must assume that your fact is at fault.
It's a bit like saying that we know that the Universe is only 6-10 thousand years old so how is it possible that we can see objects that are million and even billions of light years away especially as the evidence for the latter is beyond all reasonable contestation.
Even if you hate the idea of the universe being that ancient you cannot simply reject the evidence or try to twist it to fit your own personal theory as this way lies ignorance. We must never fall in love with our theories and if contradictory evidence arrives then we must abandon them but we will have learnt something in the process.
This is how we grow, no matter how unsavory it may seem.
Thanks for the response. Apologies for coming across as "accusing" you of bias as Adrian put it. My intent was not to accuse of bias like it is such a bad thing. I do not think it is such a bad thing to have. Everyone, including scientists and Christians (no mutual exclusiveness intended
), has bias and interprets information with bias. I do, however, think that it is important to recognize our own bias because without this recognition, it is much more difficult to try to look at things from another's point of view (bias). So my intent was merely to try to get you to recognize/question whether this had anything to do with your position after the first few paragraphs.As for the rest of your post, I certainly understand what you are saying. However, I do not think it is necessary to throw away a position that fits quite a lot of obervable facts because there are some that cannot be explained at this point in time. Scientists certainly do not do this. In fact, the issue about starlight is a good one. Certainly, it is an issue that creationists should want to address because it is a very good point. Apparently, it is also an issue that an old-universe position would need to address. See Starlight Problem. Now I seriously doubt either side is going to look at the problem, throw up their hands, and give up trying to think of possible solutions because that would achieve nothing. Looking for solutions...now that is when we learn!!
