(March 29, 2013 at 10:51 pm)jstrodel Wrote: I don't believe it is either, but I have a specific ethical justification that points to really existent things in the world.
No, you don't. You claim to have one. It is an unsubstantiated claim.
Quote:Atheists do not have any justification for the belief that God exists, it is not even at the level of faith that they argue for this, atheists argue based in a world in which human life necessarily has no value different from rocks or snails that people ought to make up a "fairy tale" of morality.
It has no value other than that which we assign it, and religion does nothing except assign its own arbitrary values (and then say that they come from a god so they sound like they have authority on their side).
It is not as if the Christian religion places any important value on human life, anyway. If God really does run the world, it's obvious he doesn't care about it, and his scripture teaches people to value it only to a limited point. When you get right down to it, Christianity is nothing but a long, boring litany of how much humanity sucks. Its core message is "all people are bad and want to be bad", and besides that being some serious projection, has inspired Christians to justify one atrocity after another for two thousand years.
Quote:The difference between the atheist "fairy tale" of objective morality is that there is no possible world in which there could be justification for atheist ethics, while Christian belief has been considered probable or certain by many of the greatest minds in history.
Hello fallacious appeal to authority.
Which just goes to show that even the greatest minds get it wrong sometimes when they are born and raised in a world mired in superstition and are themselves tasked to help drag humanity out of it.
