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Are depressed people more realistic?
RE: Are depressed people more realistic?
(March 30, 2013 at 8:16 pm)apophenia Wrote: The problem with this, for me, imo, is that you've already decided that truth has a specific shape, and taste, and smell, and color.

Yeah I decided before that shape, taste, smell and color, was 12ver Shiite Islam, and in particular the Wilayatal Faqih and Irfan type.

Then I left it, but believed in Divinity with a gnostic view.

Then I left that, and became without believe in divinity or a Creator, but just inclination/strong hope of a Creator.

And now I am agnostic with belief in soul/supernatural and morality/praise originating from supernatural and believe in a Creator, but I don't claim I am certain.


Quote: So when you go seeking truth, you aren't so much seeking truth as you are seeking confirmation.

If I was only seeking confirmation, I would have sticked with Theists or went on a Deist forum.

Anyways, no one seeks truth with no confirmation bias. Absolutely no one.

I can honestly say, I am doing my best to go against my confirmation bias.

But even Atheists have confirmation bias. Out of the Atheists here, who tried to refute the problem of evil, even though majority here claim they are agnostics? (ie. not strong type atheists)

No, they rather just repeat the argument, then think of a solution. Yet, I went looking for arguments that would strengthen the case for the argument of evil and refute defense of the problem of evil. Then I went looking for arguments to refute that. And so on and so forth.

Something I noticed about religious people, is they often tell you to open your mind up and not be bias towards the truth but seek the truth sincerely. They believe they have sought the truth sincerely. But they don't this to their fellow believers. They emphasize it only towards people that don't believe as they do.

And look and behold, Atheists tend to think like this too, that they as Atheists have sought the truth sincerely, but others haven't.

Whatever the truth is, it doesn't mean those who found it, are the only truth seekers out there.

I've been struggling to find the truth through out my life. Yes I had confirmation bias. Is it my fault that I do? I don't think so.

Right now, I am terrified of letting go of the belief of the supernatural, because it seems to me praise, value, free-will, perpetual identity and human rights, would all be false.

In fact, for the brief days I let go of the belief in supernatural, I became severely sick and depressed, and praise, value, etc, all seemed to me to be delusions. I know I can't handle it really.

If people can prove to me, supernatural or non-supernatural, praise, goodness, value, perpetual identity, free-will, remains true...I don't think anything would make me more happier, because, I'm kind've apathetic towards supernatural existing were it not goodness, value, perpetual identity, free-will, and praise. I care because this effects how I live.

I went to the Library, picked up a book on moral psychology, that starts from evolution, it's innate nature, etc, and they were essays written against one another, in reply to one another, and it seems what I went looking for, wasn't there. It seems to me, that essays refuting naturalist believing in (objective) morality were stronger. So I stopped reading but will go back to it in time.

You have to understand, we aren't all so strong, that we can live not believing either way.

I have inclination to the supernatural, and yes, I do hope I become certain in it, because I sure don't want to become a nihilist (unless someone can show me how I am deluded in that thinking all evidence shows naturalism implies nihilism).
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Are depressed people more realistic? - by naimless - February 18, 2013 at 11:10 am
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Faith No More - February 18, 2013 at 11:23 am
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by thesummerqueen - February 18, 2013 at 11:33 am
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - February 18, 2013 at 11:45 am
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - March 25, 2013 at 12:31 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Anomalocaris - February 18, 2013 at 11:46 am
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - February 18, 2013 at 11:50 am
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Anomalocaris - February 18, 2013 at 11:54 am
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by thesummerqueen - February 18, 2013 at 11:59 am
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - February 18, 2013 at 12:07 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Whateverist - February 18, 2013 at 12:27 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by naimless - February 20, 2013 at 11:46 am
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by thesummerqueen - February 18, 2013 at 12:09 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - February 18, 2013 at 12:30 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Violet - February 18, 2013 at 1:59 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Violet - February 18, 2013 at 2:26 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by thesummerqueen - February 18, 2013 at 12:31 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - February 18, 2013 at 12:39 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Angrboda - February 18, 2013 at 12:57 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by thesummerqueen - February 18, 2013 at 1:03 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by LastPoet - February 18, 2013 at 1:04 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - February 18, 2013 at 1:16 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by thesummerqueen - February 18, 2013 at 1:18 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Annik - February 18, 2013 at 1:18 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - February 18, 2013 at 1:31 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by thesummerqueen - February 18, 2013 at 1:32 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by LastPoet - February 18, 2013 at 1:36 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Whateverist - February 18, 2013 at 1:33 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - February 18, 2013 at 1:36 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by thesummerqueen - February 18, 2013 at 1:35 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by LastPoet - February 18, 2013 at 1:39 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - February 18, 2013 at 1:58 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by thesummerqueen - February 18, 2013 at 2:31 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by thesummerqueen - February 18, 2013 at 2:34 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Violet - February 18, 2013 at 2:37 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by thesummerqueen - February 18, 2013 at 2:42 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by pocaracas - February 19, 2013 at 7:08 am
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by LastPoet - February 19, 2013 at 7:56 am
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by naimless - February 20, 2013 at 11:25 am
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by paulpablo - February 19, 2013 at 8:37 am
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by thesummerqueen - February 20, 2013 at 11:30 am
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by thesummerqueen - February 20, 2013 at 11:48 am
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Whateverist - February 20, 2013 at 11:49 am
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by naimless - February 20, 2013 at 11:49 am
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by thesummerqueen - February 20, 2013 at 12:01 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by naimless - February 20, 2013 at 12:05 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by thesummerqueen - February 20, 2013 at 12:07 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by The Magic Pudding - February 20, 2013 at 12:08 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Dee Dee Ramone - February 20, 2013 at 12:14 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by thesummerqueen - February 20, 2013 at 12:10 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by naimless - February 20, 2013 at 12:14 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by thesummerqueen - February 20, 2013 at 12:16 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by naimless - February 20, 2013 at 12:18 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Dee Dee Ramone - February 20, 2013 at 12:16 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by thesummerqueen - February 20, 2013 at 12:22 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - February 20, 2013 at 12:28 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Violet - February 20, 2013 at 2:01 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - February 20, 2013 at 2:07 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Whateverist - February 20, 2013 at 3:23 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - February 20, 2013 at 7:36 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Violet - February 21, 2013 at 4:16 am
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by thesummerqueen - February 20, 2013 at 12:35 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - February 20, 2013 at 12:44 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by naimless - February 20, 2013 at 12:59 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by thesummerqueen - February 20, 2013 at 1:04 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - February 20, 2013 at 1:19 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by thesummerqueen - February 20, 2013 at 1:34 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - February 20, 2013 at 1:41 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by thesummerqueen - February 20, 2013 at 1:42 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - February 20, 2013 at 1:55 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by thesummerqueen - February 20, 2013 at 1:57 pm
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RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by thesummerqueen - February 20, 2013 at 2:12 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by EGross - February 21, 2013 at 7:45 am
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Angrboda - February 21, 2013 at 11:08 am
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Whateverist - February 21, 2013 at 11:35 am
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RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by EGross - February 21, 2013 at 12:00 pm
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RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by LastPoet - February 21, 2013 at 12:36 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by The Grand Nudger - February 21, 2013 at 12:57 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by yobbyy - February 22, 2013 at 10:18 am
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - February 22, 2013 at 1:09 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by naimless - February 22, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Shell B - February 22, 2013 at 6:07 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Violet - February 22, 2013 at 7:22 pm
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RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Shell B - February 22, 2013 at 6:28 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Violet - February 22, 2013 at 7:32 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Whateverist - February 22, 2013 at 8:13 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Faith No More - February 22, 2013 at 7:32 pm
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RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Faith No More - February 22, 2013 at 10:43 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Angrboda - February 22, 2013 at 11:25 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Jackalope - February 24, 2013 at 12:23 am
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Gilgamesh - February 24, 2013 at 12:50 am
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Jackalope - February 24, 2013 at 1:07 am
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - March 25, 2013 at 12:39 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - March 25, 2013 at 12:49 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - March 25, 2013 at 12:52 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Silver - March 25, 2013 at 12:51 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - March 25, 2013 at 12:55 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - March 25, 2013 at 1:05 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - March 25, 2013 at 2:02 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - March 25, 2013 at 3:27 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by pocaracas - March 25, 2013 at 12:59 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Tonus - March 25, 2013 at 1:27 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - March 27, 2013 at 12:01 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - March 27, 2013 at 12:41 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - March 27, 2013 at 3:14 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Tonus - March 27, 2013 at 3:19 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - March 27, 2013 at 3:23 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - March 27, 2013 at 3:54 pm
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RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Tonus - March 27, 2013 at 7:29 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by naimless - March 27, 2013 at 8:05 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by naimless - March 27, 2013 at 8:13 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by naimless - March 27, 2013 at 8:25 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by naimless - March 27, 2013 at 9:29 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Shell B - March 29, 2013 at 8:26 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - March 30, 2013 at 2:14 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by naimless - March 27, 2013 at 9:45 pm
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RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Tex - March 30, 2013 at 12:10 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Tonus - March 30, 2013 at 1:53 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Angrboda - March 30, 2013 at 6:47 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - March 30, 2013 at 2:33 pm
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RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Silver - March 30, 2013 at 5:07 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Silver - March 30, 2013 at 5:35 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Tonus - March 30, 2013 at 6:04 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Shell B - March 30, 2013 at 7:31 pm
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RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Shell B - March 30, 2013 at 10:38 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Angrboda - March 30, 2013 at 10:25 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Silver - March 30, 2013 at 9:40 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2013 at 10:32 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2013 at 11:07 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Jackalope - April 2, 2013 at 12:07 am
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - April 3, 2013 at 11:28 am
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - April 3, 2013 at 11:44 am
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Tonus - April 3, 2013 at 2:03 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by LastPoet - April 3, 2013 at 11:36 am
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by naimless - April 3, 2013 at 1:38 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by LastPoet - April 3, 2013 at 1:06 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by naimless - April 3, 2013 at 1:44 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - April 5, 2013 at 12:03 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Violet - April 5, 2013 at 12:10 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by junkyardboy - April 5, 2013 at 12:25 pm
RE: Are depressed people more realistic? - by Tonus - April 5, 2013 at 1:13 pm

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