The price of attonement???

[Drich]

That's stretching it a bit, you wouldn't become the owner of my little farm just because I ate an apple you gave me.

But what if that apple was laced with a substance that was addictive, so much so you would be willing to give the farm up to have just one more?

Now Lets say I didn't want the farm, but would not give you any more "apples" unless you simply wanted something that belonged to your neighbor, and all I wanted in return is for you to fester over how your neighbor did not deserve what he had, 1 hour out of twelve every day and I will let you indulge yourself with as many 'apples' as you wanted..

Next, lets say (your actual dad who gave you the farm) didn't want you fussing over the stuff your neighbor had and he wanted you to work the field 12 hours aday, but I say you unless you fuss over what your neighbor had, just one hour out of 12 You will not be given that 'apple.' Who controls what goes on the Farm?

Physically you do, but I have control over you, as I have what you physically want. So ultimatly I do.

cool story bro.

It's in the bible bra.

Satan could do that?

Yes, or it wouldn't be much of a temptation would it?

He had that power and authority?

Yes. As He is the Father of Sin and Evil, and 'we' are slaves to it He had (Pre death on the Cross) ultimate power and authority over us.

Your godman didn;t see through this shit?

Even after a 40 day fast when His mind and resolve was weak, He appearently did. That i why He told satan to pound sand.

Separating god from jesus does help to turn jesus into the victim in the story, sure. Not sure why you want to do that though, as it makes the story - and your explicit approval of the actions descried therein- even more horrendous.

Can you accept a gift and not know the true cost? Whatever that cost maybe? Wouldn't know said cost help you understand the depht and love it took to give that gift?

I can tell you that it's not temptation if you have the kind of perspective your fellow wolves claim (I appreciate that you believe otherwise). Scapegoaters rarely wish for themselves to be the ones chained to the post, unsurprising. Monstrously evil hypocrites. Ready an willing to torture another for their own inequity, thankful even that it has been done, and glad that they did not have to be the one holding the scourge - but entirely unwilling to subject themselves to the same. The very thought is anethema to the motivations behind vicarious redemption or torture by proxy in the first place.

As bad as mel gibson's protrayal of the passion was, I don't know anyone 'christian' who does not understand that what Jesus went through was orginally reserved for them. That He was made to physically endure a repersentation of what we owe for our sins. Even so what I am suggesting here is that 'punishment' Cost christ alot more than what we/man saw Christ go through.. Or you maybe right who knows what is in the heart of other men, saved or not.

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(Which is indeed a pretty big deal, God so loved us that He Gave His only Son and that Son literally Gave his deity for us..)

I don't contemplate too terribly hard why Captain Hook both loved and hated Peter Pan. Do you know why? Because I don't fret over make-believe stories.

John 3:16 is just ridiculous. Translated: For god so loved the world that he sacrificed himself to himself to save only a handful of people from a place that he made himself.

Only the most gullible of people buy into this nonsense.
Ask yourself this: If the "one true god" showed up about 2000 years ago, allowing mankind to create all these other "obviously" phony gods for thousands of years, than why pray tell, is your god just like all the rest where blood sacrifice is concerned. Wouldn't the one "true" god be completely and entirely unique??? Why would "the one true god" essentially copy the need for blood sacrifice? Why would he adopt the human creation of blood atonement as his own? How convenient that "the one true god" has a religion nearly identical to every other religion ever created by man, and how coincidental is it that his atonement is the same as everyone elses.

Gullible halfwits ... all of you.

Cinny! i thought you had me on ignore!

So why dose God command a blood sacerfice like all of the other religions?

Lets see if you can stay true to the narritive we are discussing shall we?

Upon finding out that Adam and Eve ate of the fruit of the tree of knoweledge they covered them selves with fig leaves.. Then God made an animal sacerfice and gave them the skins of the animals He slaughtered... So by this account it was God at the Dawn of man who established this ritual, which would mean every other religion copied it in one form or another.