RE: The price of attonement???
March 30, 2013 at 10:11 pm
(This post was last modified: March 30, 2013 at 10:18 pm by Mystic.)
(March 30, 2013 at 9:20 pm)Drich Wrote: If Jesus was not in the Will of the Father would the Father Have supported His miricals? No.
What about the magicians who did their own magic? What about Satan who does what he wants now? Why would God allow Satan respite to lead astray people but not allow Jesus if Jesus gave in to temptations?
Also, what if the "Father" was in on it. If the son can sin, surely the father can as well, after all, they both have free-will right?
Quote:Being born in or out of wed lock is not a sin eitherway.
Moving the goalposts. You said "how can result of something unacceptable be acceptable?"
Quote:How is attonement a sin?
Where did I say it was? It can be a product of it (combined with God's compassion and mercy).
See the difference only is that God acting to wrath, you see it result of sin, and that's fine. But if God reacts with mercy and compassion (attonement), you don't see it as result of sin, and it's not fine?
(March 30, 2013 at 9:37 pm)Godschild Wrote: What possible reason would He want to trick anyone, that makes no sense to me?
What possible motive does Angel have to rebel against God then want to make evil and suffer all of humanity? - evil - right?
So same thing, it's an evil motive. Maybe he wants to have fun like the Joker in Batman.
Quote:Again, why would God want to trick anyone, an omniscient and omnipotent being would have no reason to trick humanity. The God Head (Yahway) could not go against itself, Jesus addressed this very thing when the pharisees called Him satan. The God Head is of one mind in three persons. This is what Jesus said about a divided kingdom.
Matt. 12:25 And knowing their thoughts He said to them, "Any kingdom divided against itself is laid to waste; and any city or house divided against itself shall not stand. 26) "And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then shall his kingdom stand? 27) "And if I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? Consequently they shall be your judges. 28) "But if I cast out by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
This statement show that Jesus could not go against the Father.
There we go. So he was incapable of sinning. If he was incapable of sinning, then how can he be praised for avoiding temptation? Where is the sacrifice? Where is the praise?
Quote:If God lied He would sin, God says He will not be in the presence of sin, this eliminates the possibility of God sinning, god could not live with Himself if He sinned. This is another way through scripture to show God does not lie.
So God cannot sin (Jesus cannot sin either) - then it's not praiseworthy really for Father and Son to not have sinned.
