RE: Morality IS without God
April 1, 2013 at 6:29 pm
(This post was last modified: April 1, 2013 at 6:31 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 1, 2013 at 6:12 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: mt/mp? Don't know what it stands for.Tale for another time, grounds are plenty fertile already.
Quote:Defining honesty to being good, and defining the exceptions to the rule.Well.....clearly we're approaching this from different angles - but you know that I would mention that the reason you're having trouble - ambiguity, is that you've already begun to discuss something ambiguous....I'd offer this as a possibility because.....
Quote:When is it ok or even righteous to lie to society or people in society or to friends or to parents or to family?We have laws that pertain to this that stand without having to reference morality (though it's undeniable that they -began- in our notions of morality..it;s just that it's beyond that point)...regardless of whether or not it is moral, in some situations lying is simply illegal. It's very easy to discuss lying from the legal standpoint. There's no ambiguity there (though a lawyer would try to argue some in - if his client were "plainly guilty").
So, in this case, can you see why I might offer the simple solution? We can discuss (leveraging language) lying and honesty very simply from the angle of legality - so on that count, it doesn't seem to be very ambiguous - we even expect small children to understand the difference between being honest and being dishonest (and largely they seem to be able to do just that)...... but as soon as you bring up morality - well, grab the reins and hold on tight.
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