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God's God
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RE: God's God
The first premise is "Everything that comes into being has a cause." Median's reply is that the physical universe qualifies as that which did not come into being, i.e. it has always been here. This shows he doesn't understand the cosmological argument.

The argument begins by saying that no efficient cause can cause itself. If something is caused, then it depends on something other than itself to begin. Anything that begins must have a cause. If the physical universe did not have a beginning then you have an infinite regress of causes and effects, one that is incapable of causing itself, (actual infinities do not exist). Therefore the whole of the causal chain depends on something independent of causal chain to begin. That something is an uncaused cause that is not part of the physical universe as we know it.
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God's God - by median - April 7, 2013 at 1:38 pm
RE: God's God - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 1:46 pm
RE: God's God - by median - April 7, 2013 at 1:54 pm
RE: God's God - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 1:59 pm
RE: God's God - by median - April 8, 2013 at 12:22 am
RE: God's God - by MysticKnight - April 8, 2013 at 6:22 am
RE: God's God - by median - April 8, 2013 at 1:59 pm
RE: God's God - by Neo-Scholastic - April 8, 2013 at 10:34 pm
RE: God's God - by Whateverist - April 13, 2013 at 3:30 am
RE: God's God - by Godschild - April 7, 2013 at 6:09 pm
RE: God's God - by Cinjin - April 7, 2013 at 8:40 pm
RE: God's God - by median - April 7, 2013 at 11:59 pm
RE: God's God - by Godschild - April 8, 2013 at 2:56 pm
RE: God's God - by Darkstar - April 8, 2013 at 3:13 pm
RE: God's God - by downbeatplumb - April 8, 2013 at 3:17 pm
RE: God's God - by Godschild - April 8, 2013 at 11:48 pm
RE: God's God - by Darkstar - April 9, 2013 at 2:14 pm
RE: God's God - by median - April 8, 2013 at 3:31 pm
RE: God's God - by Godschild - April 9, 2013 at 12:49 am
RE: God's God - by Ryantology - April 9, 2013 at 2:22 pm
RE: God's God - by Ryantology - April 9, 2013 at 12:46 am
RE: God's God - by archangle - April 9, 2013 at 8:33 am
RE: God's God - by Neo-Scholastic - April 7, 2013 at 7:29 pm
RE: God's God - by Darkstar - April 7, 2013 at 7:41 pm
RE: God's God - by Neo-Scholastic - April 7, 2013 at 8:53 pm
RE: God's God - by Darkstar - April 7, 2013 at 8:59 pm
RE: God's God - by Neo-Scholastic - April 7, 2013 at 11:19 pm
RE: God's God - by Cato - April 8, 2013 at 12:00 am
RE: God's God - by Darkstar - April 8, 2013 at 12:02 am
RE: God's God - by Neo-Scholastic - April 8, 2013 at 12:50 pm
RE: God's God - by Lord Privy Seal - April 11, 2013 at 1:45 pm
RE: God's God - by median - April 11, 2013 at 2:00 pm
RE: God's God - by Neo-Scholastic - April 12, 2013 at 4:29 pm
RE: God's God - by median - April 12, 2013 at 11:07 pm
RE: God's God - by Lord Privy Seal - April 14, 2013 at 8:50 am
RE: God's God - by archangle - April 14, 2013 at 9:56 am
RE: God's God - by Lord Privy Seal - April 14, 2013 at 11:01 am
RE: God's God - by Tex - April 8, 2013 at 12:59 pm
RE: God's God - by The Grand Nudger - April 8, 2013 at 1:07 pm
RE: God's God - by Neo-Scholastic - April 8, 2013 at 9:37 pm
RE: God's God - by downbeatplumb - April 8, 2013 at 2:35 pm
RE: God's God - by MysticKnight - April 8, 2013 at 5:52 pm
RE: God's God - by median - April 8, 2013 at 7:46 pm
RE: God's God - by MysticKnight - April 8, 2013 at 8:13 pm
RE: God's God - by median - April 8, 2013 at 9:19 pm
RE: God's God - by MysticKnight - April 8, 2013 at 9:48 pm
RE: God's God - by Neo-Scholastic - April 8, 2013 at 10:06 pm
RE: God's God - by median - April 9, 2013 at 1:06 pm
RE: God's God - by Neo-Scholastic - April 9, 2013 at 3:42 pm
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RE: God's God - by Neo-Scholastic - April 9, 2013 at 4:37 pm
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RE: God's God - by Neo-Scholastic - April 9, 2013 at 6:21 pm
RE: God's God - by median - April 9, 2013 at 6:32 pm
RE: God's God - by archangle - April 9, 2013 at 7:02 pm
RE: God's God - by Ryantology - April 9, 2013 at 4:37 pm
RE: God's God - by Tex - April 8, 2013 at 3:17 pm
RE: God's God - by Tex - April 8, 2013 at 6:17 pm
RE: God's God - by MysticKnight - April 8, 2013 at 10:28 pm
RE: God's God - by MysticKnight - April 8, 2013 at 10:45 pm
RE: God's God - by MysticKnight - April 9, 2013 at 8:15 am
RE: God's God - by Esquilax - April 9, 2013 at 8:35 am
RE: God's God - by MysticKnight - April 9, 2013 at 8:50 am
RE: God's God - by Esquilax - April 9, 2013 at 9:17 am
RE: God's God - by MysticKnight - April 9, 2013 at 9:35 am
RE: God's God - by Esquilax - April 9, 2013 at 10:15 am
RE: God's God - by MysticKnight - April 9, 2013 at 10:57 am
RE: God's God - by archangle - April 9, 2013 at 10:59 am
RE: God's God - by Neo-Scholastic - April 9, 2013 at 11:03 am
RE: God's God - by Neo-Scholastic - April 9, 2013 at 9:07 am
RE: God's God - by archangle - April 9, 2013 at 8:45 am
RE: God's God - by Gooders1002 - April 9, 2013 at 8:30 am
RE: God's God - by The Grand Nudger - April 9, 2013 at 9:15 am
RE: God's God - by The Grand Nudger - April 9, 2013 at 9:37 am
RE: God's God - by archangle - April 9, 2013 at 10:05 am
RE: God's God - by The Grand Nudger - April 9, 2013 at 11:59 am
RE: God's God - by Neo-Scholastic - April 9, 2013 at 12:21 pm
RE: God's God - by archangle - April 9, 2013 at 4:26 pm
RE: God's God - by Godschild - April 9, 2013 at 6:04 pm
RE: God's God - by Simon Moon - April 9, 2013 at 6:15 pm
RE: God's God - by median - April 9, 2013 at 6:18 pm
RE: God's God - by downbeatplumb - April 10, 2013 at 5:48 pm
RE: God's God - by Godschild - April 11, 2013 at 4:27 am
RE: God's God - by Esquilax - April 11, 2013 at 6:59 am
RE: God's God - by median - April 11, 2013 at 11:39 am
RE: God's God - by Ryantology - April 11, 2013 at 1:59 pm
RE: God's God - by Tonus - April 11, 2013 at 8:41 am
RE: God's God - by Neo-Scholastic - April 9, 2013 at 6:08 pm
RE: God's God - by median - April 10, 2013 at 6:17 pm
RE: God's God - by Ryantology - April 9, 2013 at 6:22 pm
RE: God's God - by Godschild - April 9, 2013 at 6:38 pm
RE: God's God - by Ryantology - April 9, 2013 at 6:50 pm
RE: God's God - by Godschild - April 9, 2013 at 7:46 pm
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RE: God's God - by Neo-Scholastic - April 9, 2013 at 8:02 pm
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RE: God's God - by archangle - April 10, 2013 at 8:01 am
RE: God's God - by Ryantology - April 9, 2013 at 8:44 pm
RE: God's God - by Neo-Scholastic - April 9, 2013 at 10:49 pm
RE: God's God - by median - April 10, 2013 at 11:48 am
RE: God's God - by GurrenLagann - April 9, 2013 at 8:18 pm
RE: God's God - by Tex - April 10, 2013 at 12:21 pm
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RE: God's God - by Ryantology - April 10, 2013 at 1:19 pm
RE: God's God - by Tex - April 10, 2013 at 1:39 pm
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RE: God's God - by Tex - April 10, 2013 at 1:59 pm
RE: God's God - by median - April 10, 2013 at 3:25 pm
RE: God's God - by Neo-Scholastic - April 10, 2013 at 3:38 pm
RE: God's God - by median - April 10, 2013 at 4:34 pm
RE: God's God - by Tex - April 12, 2013 at 4:11 pm
RE: God's God - by Tex - April 10, 2013 at 4:08 pm
RE: God's God - by The Grand Nudger - April 10, 2013 at 5:55 pm
RE: God's God - by median - April 10, 2013 at 7:27 pm
RE: God's God - by archangle - April 14, 2013 at 12:31 pm
RE: God's God - by Lord Privy Seal - April 14, 2013 at 11:23 pm
RE: God's God - by The Grand Nudger - April 14, 2013 at 1:02 pm
RE: God's God - by archangle - April 14, 2013 at 4:27 pm
RE: God's God - by archangle - April 15, 2013 at 8:16 am
RE: God's God - by Lord Privy Seal - April 15, 2013 at 9:46 am
RE: God's God - by Neo-Scholastic - April 15, 2013 at 10:56 am
RE: God's God - by Ryantology - April 15, 2013 at 6:57 pm
RE: God's God - by Neo-Scholastic - April 15, 2013 at 8:44 pm
RE: God's God - by median - April 16, 2013 at 12:45 am
RE: God's God - by archangle - April 16, 2013 at 7:57 am
RE: God's God - by Lord Privy Seal - April 17, 2013 at 12:52 am
RE: God's God - by archangle - April 17, 2013 at 8:51 am
RE: God's God - by median - April 17, 2013 at 11:09 am
RE: God's God - by Lord Privy Seal - April 17, 2013 at 11:33 am
RE: God's God - by archangle - April 18, 2013 at 8:21 am
RE: God's God - by median - April 18, 2013 at 2:19 pm
RE: God's God - by Lord Privy Seal - April 25, 2013 at 12:33 pm
RE: God's God - by archangle - April 15, 2013 at 11:20 am
RE: God's God - by Ryantology - April 15, 2013 at 9:24 pm
RE: God's God - by Neo-Scholastic - April 15, 2013 at 9:28 pm
RE: God's God - by Ryantology - April 16, 2013 at 1:28 pm
RE: God's God - by median - April 16, 2013 at 2:08 pm
RE: God's God - by Neo-Scholastic - April 16, 2013 at 4:40 pm
RE: God's God - by Ryantology - April 16, 2013 at 11:56 pm
RE: God's God - by median - April 17, 2013 at 1:16 am
RE: God's God - by archangle - April 17, 2013 at 7:39 am
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RE: God's God - by archangle - April 16, 2013 at 4:27 pm
RE: God's God - by archangle - April 19, 2013 at 7:59 am
RE: God's God - by median - April 22, 2013 at 1:16 am
RE: God's God - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2013 at 8:12 am
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