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God's God
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RE: God's God
(April 7, 2013 at 8:53 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: You do not understand that there are different kinds of cause. An uncaused cause does not lie within the temporal causal chain.
Correct. Reality exists, except you have limited your thinking to physical reality. Physical reality needs a cause because it has finite attributes that have beginnings. The cause of the physical universe is the timeless, changeless, spaceless, and immaterial something on which time, space, change, and material depend.
So, things outside the universe don't need to be caused? Is there evidence for this, or is it simply hypothetical? Also, if it is changeless, then it would be in the same state forever. So, why did the original(ish...as you say there is no time) state include a god? Why would a god always exist/exist in the first place? You seem to think that you can simply say there is no reason needed (special pleading), but if you do, then this does not exclude the possibility that said god is a deistic version of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

(April 7, 2013 at 8:53 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Do you have a deep understanding of quantum mechanics?
...no.
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
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God's God - by median - April 7, 2013 at 1:38 pm
RE: God's God - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 1:46 pm
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RE: God's God - by Neo-Scholastic - April 7, 2013 at 8:53 pm
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