God's God

[Darkstar]

You guys never tire of demanding physical evidence for non-physical things. (Hence my new signature line.) Not exactly logical is it? Is it hypothetical? Sure, in the sense that everything is hypothetical.

Everything non-physical is hypothetical. Also, if said non-physical being interacted with the physical world, it would have to have physical effects, would it not?

The real question to you is this. What is the logical alternative?

Is this an argument from ignorance? The only logical alternative I can think of at the moment would be quantum fluctuations.

The idea that the physical universe has always existed requires an actual infinity. Are you prepared to argue for the existence of an actual infinity?

So god isn't an infinity somehow? What if I said that the universe exists outside the universe (i.e. everything surrounding the universe is not it, so the universe itself exists outside the universe) and that the things inside it had a beginning, but the universe itself did not. Obviously the universe has not always existed in its current form, but would it be impossible for it to have existed as disorganized matter at some prior time to the big bang? Could time itself have begun with the universe?

The cosmological argument provides justification for believing in a set of initial/necessary conditions required to support the existence of anything at all, including existence itself.

Other than god, apparently.

After that, you examine the nature of those initial conditions. Some people identify the attributes of the necessary conditions as being the same as those of God.

You could use god to explain anything, really. He meets the conditions for any phenomenon. The ancient greeks had Zeus for lightning and Poseidon for tidal waves, but the Jews thought "why not bunch it all together and say he's omnipotent?" How could a god exist at all, let alone uncaused? Wouldn't one think it to be more unusual for an uncaused omnipotent being to exist, rather than an uncaused conglomeration of random matter?