(April 8, 2013 at 1:16 am)jrsm_10 Wrote: How can I prove to you that there is no apple in my hand? There is none. There.
How can you prove there is an apple in your hand? Show it to me.
Then you'll speak of the effects it made in you as proof. I can't see it, and I didn't see you eating it, so for all I know the effects were caused by a number of other things. No, God didn't cure my friend from cancer... she had chemo! No, God didn't cure my mother's tumors. She had her ovaries taken out! No, you will never see a man with out an arm all of a sudden get one. No, your God does not protect people who believe from rape or other things. That's so stupid I can't begin at a good starting point. Ahhhh! I don't know where to start.
Explain all the natural disasters. You mean to tell me not one of the people who died loved and served God with all their strength? I said it before, I grew up as Christian as Christian can get and still your god did not protect me from traumatic events that still keep me up from sleep many nights. No amount of prayer helped. No amount of faith helped (at least a little) with my aunt's pain when she was agonizing for months because her kidneys sucked. No amount of faith helped any of the kids that I work with from what they go through every day. It would take you one day in their shoes to question your faith. One day! One fucken day. Don't tell me that Psalms what's it's name says wisherwasher because that doesn't prove anything. I see what I see and it's bullshit. I don't need to prove that God exists but doesn't care. You need to prove he exists, but hates us all... or is blind... or retarded.
I have a couple of questions if you don't mind, how was it you became a Christian and then why did you reject God?
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.