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(November 19, 2008 at 2:57 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Yes but religion CAN be a HUGE irrational motivator. Much more so than sport or music. I can't imagine 9/11 happening for sport or music.

Quote:True, but on a lesser scale it is pretty much the same thing. I can tell you this, religion won't destroy the world but nuclear weapons and other science made arsenal could.
Thats not science. Thats people with power and self-righteousness. People in power who have gone power mad. Or people in power who are just totally ignorant so they don't hesitate to go for the really BAD ideas. The scientists provide the research, the inventors invent the bombs. Then the bombs are used by people who think its righteous to use them. Whether they're scientists or NOT. Its not FACTS that damage the world. Its using FACTS as weapons. Because you can use FACTS for good things too. Medicine for example.

(November 19, 2008 at 2:57 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Futhermore science based thinking is not connected to prejudice and bias anymore than liking eating apples is connected to prejudice and bias.
You get prejudice and biased scientists only like you get prejudiced and biased apple eaters. PEOPLE can be prejudiced and biased regardless of whether they're a scientist, atheist or theist or astrologer or whatever.

Quote:True, but being biased on eating apples or regarding astrology or Bible theism isn't the propaganda we teach our children in school in the name of science. Our children, man! Of course, you wouldn't see that was a problem but think of it from a different perspective. What if they changed it all around and taught Creationism in schools like it were fact in the way that they do evolution.
What if they taught creationism as fact? That would be horrible thats what. Because there's no evidence for the truth of creationism. And if there WAS then the world would be completely different so we're talking about a completely different reality here. So that's irrelevant.

(November 19, 2008 at 2:57 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: BUT religion CAN motivate people to do insanely irrational things. And these CAN be very dangerous. And they can do these things whether they are good people or NOT. This is not the case with science.

Quote:Of course it is the case with science. You gather the greatest scientific minds together and appease their egos and childlike sense of scientific adventure and they will make for you the most insanely irrational weapons that could destroy them and everything else. If you don't call that insanely irrational you have just given an example of bias yourself.
No this is just stupid because...: What has ego or 'childlike sense of scientific adventure' got to do with science? Sure scientists are INTERESTED in the universe if thats what you mean. That usually goes hand in hand with the greatest scientists. But its actually got nothing to do with science itself. I'm talking about science here not the egos of particular scientists. Science itself, as in the scientific method ISN'T ego based.
Science's defintion is the scientific method. Science is a method. Religion is lots of things including lots of crazy things. And often its basically about dogma. And the problem is when it is preached as dogma.

Quote:Science, like the religion of the dark ages, is thought by an increasingly large margin of people as a false hope. The only thing it needs now is the political backing religion had then and you have a powder keg ready to blow.
This last paragraph of your post is, I think, frankly: utterly absurd, ridiculous, and grotesque.
You are comparing science to dark age religion! What on earth?! False hope?! Science gets results! There is evidence for scientific truths! Science has discovered things! Whether they be good or bad discoveries, they are true ones! They are demonstrated in reality!
False hope, as in false hope for a better future right?! Well whether the future is good or not, science can be used for not only truth, but good things like medicine. What can religion do? False hope but no truth and no power to do things like develop better medicines or forms of healing other than psychological, placebo effect healing. In other words...false hope!
Heres a video that I think's great. Its about atheists. Its called atheist. So in case you or anyone else hasn't watched it already here it is:
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Daystar - by lukec - November 16, 2008 at 9:34 pm
RE: Daystar - by Daystar - November 16, 2008 at 11:34 pm
RE: Daystar - by Kyuuketsuki - November 17, 2008 at 10:14 am
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RE: Daystar - by lukec - November 17, 2008 at 7:09 pm
RE: Daystar - by Daystar - November 18, 2008 at 5:04 pm
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RE: Daystar - by Daystar - November 19, 2008 at 3:00 pm
RE: Daystar - by lukec - November 19, 2008 at 4:17 pm
RE: Daystar - by Kyuuketsuki - November 18, 2008 at 6:34 am
RE: Daystar - by Daystar - November 18, 2008 at 11:12 am
RE: Daystar - by lukec - November 18, 2008 at 4:47 pm
RE: Daystar - by Kyuuketsuki - November 19, 2008 at 4:58 am
RE: Daystar - by Daystar - November 19, 2008 at 12:16 pm
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RE: Daystar - by lukec - November 17, 2008 at 12:20 am
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RE: Daystar - by Edwardo Piet - November 17, 2008 at 9:27 pm
RE: Daystar - by Edwardo Piet - November 19, 2008 at 12:21 pm
RE: Daystar - by Daystar - November 19, 2008 at 2:29 pm
RE: Daystar - by Edwardo Piet - November 19, 2008 at 2:57 pm
RE: Daystar - by lukec - November 19, 2008 at 5:26 pm
RE: Daystar - by Kyuuketsuki - November 20, 2008 at 5:39 am
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