(April 7, 2013 at 11:59 pm)median Wrote:(April 7, 2013 at 6:09 pm)Godschild Wrote: Our omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent God has always been, there has never been a moment He did not exist. I'm sure you find this difficult to comprehend, so you'll just dismiss it. I'm not saying I or anyone could comprehend this, it's that I choose to believe what He says.
Please read the OP again. I anticipated, and dealt with, this response there. The "omnis" are arbitrary assertions which have not been demonstrated or justified (i.e. - an attempt to define your "God" - whatever that means - into existence). They are also mentions of secondary characteristics - which renders your idea of a "God" incoherent (as you admitted - in a round about way - in your response). They don't tell anyone anything about what your alleged deity actually is - or could even be. So just saying (as I anticipated) "he's eternal" doesn't get you there.
Anyone can attribute any characteristic they want, to anything (arbitrarily) they want. So what. That doesn't get you one iota closer to showing how your alleged deity doesn't need an explanation for it's existence, but somehow we do. The door swings both ways. Either you stop attempting to define your deity into existence (omni this...all that....etc), at which case you literally have nothing to work with, or you allow that everyone else can also define into existence anything they want (i.e. - the global universe is omniscient/eternal/whatever we want!). Big whoop.
A lot of words which disproves nothing. The only reason you ever challenge Christians to prove God is because you believe God who is Spirit can not be proven. What you can't understand about those who seek God, we know Him through His revelation to us of who He is. Because you have not sought Him, how is it you believe you're qualified to dismiss Him? You want something to disprove, try my relationship with God, disprove I have not experienced the God of the Bible. I did not try to bring God into existence through omni- anything, God has always existed and because of this He is omni, whether you want to accept it or not, what you will never be able to do is wish the God of creation out of existence. Try as you may, He's not going away.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
